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Driving with electronic device

Discussion in 'The OT' started by kevinturcotte, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. May 8, 2012 #341 of 384
    Herdfan

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    A kid in the backseat screaming has no idea of what the traffic conditions are. Mom in her minivan turned around yelling at him has no idea of what the traffic conditions are either.
     
  2. May 8, 2012 #342 of 384
    MysteryMan

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    My post #299 (Vital Signs) explained that.
     
  3. May 8, 2012 #343 of 384
    Laxguy

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    So, are you saying completely hands free cell phone use is o.k. now? It surely won't take even ten years for all new cars to have the bluetooth links that I have in my car now. Hands and eyes-free lookup and dialing.

    And, yes, there are times when traffic tells me to hang up right now....
     
  4. May 8, 2012 #344 of 384
    fluffybear

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    Been saying that since the beginning. My gripe has always been with someone on a hand held device.

    The issue is not with how long will it take for cars to have this technology but the time before nearly every vehicle on the road has the technology.
     
  5. May 8, 2012 #345 of 384
    fluffybear

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    You don't yell at your kids through the rear-view mirror? The only time I ever turn around to yell at someone in the backseat is when my vehicle is stopped (may only be at a stop sign/light).
    Let's also look at amount of time, how long does it take to turn around a yell at a kid? couple of seconds at most? Then how long does it take to argue with your buddy about Danica Patrick's unsportsmen like behavior on Saturday?
     
  6. May 8, 2012 #346 of 384
    PCampbell

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    Back in the 70s when I was a Kid everyone had a CB radio in there car, is that different from talking on a phone. ( radio )
     
  7. May 8, 2012 #347 of 384
    djlong

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    Now THAT I would agree with.
     
  8. May 8, 2012 #348 of 384
    djlong

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    ...and I can hang up on someone being annoying on my cell phone. You can't hang up on the kid screaming in the back seat.
     
  9. May 8, 2012 #349 of 384
    fluffybear

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    The two biggest differences which come to mind are speed limits were slower and cars were built to handle accidents.
     
  10. May 8, 2012 #350 of 384
    Alan Gordon

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    THAT was the point I was trying to stress earlier...


    There was a story on WABC last night about a lawsuit in which a driver who was texting sideswiped two individuals who were on a motorcycle, and both of them lost their legs. I don't know if this story has been brought up here, because I admit I haven't followed it these past several days, but the kicker is, the two individuals who lost their legs are filing a lawsuit against the person who was driving while texting. That's completely understandable, but they also named the person who was texting the boy in the lawsuit as well. The lawyer seemed to imply that the girl might have known or could have been able to assume that he was driving due to his schedule. If she was aware that he was driving, and continued to participate, I understand... however, I do not like the can of worms it could open.

    Often, if I think there's a good chance the person I'm contacting is driving, I'll send them a text knowing that they are responsible enough to wait until they are parked to check the text. I'd hate to think that would be illegal because some people are not responsible enough...

    ~Alan
     
  11. May 8, 2012 #351 of 384
    BattleScott

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    The way I read it was that any accident involving a commercial vehicle simply had a greater chance of being a fatal accident than those not involving commercial vehicles. I certainly did not read it as implying that ALL commerical vehicle accidents involve fatalities. No one else seemed to either, so perhaps you simply have a comprehension problem... or perhaps you were too distracted by your cell phone when you were reading it...
     
  12. May 8, 2012 #352 of 384
    Stewart Vernon

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    Because... there are two reasons people obey any particular law:

    1. Because they agree with the law and would practice that behavior anyway.

    OR

    2. Because it is the law, and if it wasn't the law they would do it.

    So... #1 if I agree talking on the cellphone is distracting and I would not do it, then the law I obey is because I believe it is the right thing to do and I would do it even if it wasn't the law.

    BUT.... #2 if the only reason I'm not using the cellphone while driving is because I don't want to be caught/punished for breaking the law... then I will either get better at disguising my breaking of the law OR since I have no regard to the importance of paying attention to the road, I will find something else to distract me.

    Extreme examples... If you believe it is morally wrong to kill. then you probably don't kill people whether or not the law says you can. BUT if you enjoy killing, and are caused to pause when thinking about the law against it... then you probably find some other similarly destructive-but-legal way OR practice until you think you won't get caught.

    Exactly... Kids aren't going to be paying attention to the road and helping the driver. Great counter-point.

    Weren't we all agreeing earlier in this thread that it only takes a couple of seconds of distraction to cause a major accident? Depending on your speed... for example... if you are traveling 60 mph, you travel ~88 ft per second. IF you ask me, that's a lot that can happen for a couple of seconds (176 ft or more) of yelling/talking at the kid in the back seat.
     
  13. May 8, 2012 #353 of 384
    wilbur_the_goose

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    My rule of thumb.

    I don't do anything while driving that I wouldn't want my 747 pilot doing on final ILS approach.

    Remember - driving is many times more dangerous than flying, so if a pilot can't do it, I son't do it.
     
  14. May 8, 2012 #354 of 384
    fluffybear

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    Agreed but we are looking at overall a small number, number of hours which parents have turned to yell at their kids and those on cell phones. In my home alone, Mrs. Fluffybear and I spend nearly 20 hours in our vehicles each week without the children and maybe 2 hours on a normal week with them. Chance of my having my head turned for that entire 2 hours is also not realistic so giving you a generous 20 or 30 minutes a week is nothing compared to the 20 hours we could be on cell phones.
     
  15. May 8, 2012 #355 of 384
    Herdfan

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    I'll disagree with that last statement. Sure they were bigger and had more steel, but today's cars with airbags and crumple zones are safer than a 1970's family car.
     
  16. May 8, 2012 #356 of 384
    MysteryMan

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    I don't own or use a cell phone nor do I have a need or desire to do so. I get by just fine without one. ;)
     
  17. May 8, 2012 #357 of 384
    James Long

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    Then you are absolutely unqualified to continue in this discussion. Any further comment from you will be severely discounted.
     
  18. May 8, 2012 #358 of 384
    James Long

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    If you believe the cell phone ban nannys it only takes a second of distraction to kill.

    One does not have to turn their attention away from the road for an hour or even a minute while yelling at a child (or adjusting the radio, or looking out the side windows, or talking to a passenger, or looking for the ash tray, or looking for their beverage holder, or programming their GPS, or reaching for a tissue, or reaching for their sunglasses, or doing whatever else takes one's eyes off of the road) in order to miss the one second of reaction time that will save a life.

    At least according to the nannys.

    Perhaps they should learn how to drive with more than a second of overhead. The main problem I see on the roads is a failure to leave proper space between vehicles. If one has already violated the three second rule then one has left themselves no margin. If one drives in a way where one could blink for more than a couple of seconds without hitting someone or something then they will be better off.

    And perhaps if one can get up to 10 or 15 seconds of margin (above what reaction time is needed to prevent an accident) one could spend a second being a bad parent. Or looking at the radio ... etc. If the driving is too intense to look away one probably should back off in their driving style.
     
  19. May 9, 2012 #359 of 384
    Laxguy

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    Not to mention seat belts!
     
  20. May 9, 2012 #360 of 384
    MysteryMan

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    That is your "opinion". And as we all know opinions are like rectums, everyone has one. :rolleyes:
     

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