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DTV: Legacy SD Receivers To Be Obsolete

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by BrucePadgett, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. BrucePadgett

    BrucePadgett AllStar

    Nov 14, 2007
    Per an email I just received from DirecTV, all pre-2004 SD receivers will become obsolete soon. They're offering me a more current one, no contract required. They want to swap out my old one, which will be a problem, as it is a first-gen Sony which I purchased way back in 1994 for a lot of money.

    Before I phone them, I have a technical question for this forum, the members of which will probably be more informed to answer than DTV staff. (No disrespect intended to the CSRs.)

    I purchased an H20 outright from a big-box dealer several years ago. While originally intended for use primarily as an MPEG-2 high-def receiver, it can also deliver standard def signals. Would it serve as an adequate replacement for my old Sony under the new DirecTV SD standards? I'd rather not play equipment roulette with DTV.

    Thank you for any help, and I apologize to the moderators if this technical post seems misplaced. In a way, it's the end of an era.
  2. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    You realized the H20 is leased, right?
  3. dpeters11

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    I wonder what the reasoning is. They used RIDs for part of the time before this didn't they

    To the OP, you sure you don't mean an H10? H20 is mpeg4 for HD.
  4. kevinwmsn

    kevinwmsn Hall Of Fame

    Aug 19, 2006
    The H20 doesn't do MRV if that matters to you.

    I hope them by ending the life of the really old boxes, they could fix the guide data for Channels I Get being that was one of the old excuses.
  5. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    I wonder what is DirecTV up to if this is true....:confused:
  6. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Apr 21, 2007
    Elizabeth, CO
    Actually an H20 could be owned, I know I bought my first H20 before leasing took effect (thanks to this forum) even before I had an HDTV in the bedroom just so I could own it. Of course now I dont care
  7. bobnielsen

    bobnielsen Éminence grise

    Jun 29, 2006
    Possibly they won't support non-SWM anymore. Now if they said that non-MPEG4 receivers were going to be obsolete, that would open up some interesting possibilities....

    No, that's not it--SWM was more like 2006/7.
  8. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Seattle, WA
    I think the receivers prior to the D11 have challenges with the current guide data, and that is an ongoing and worsening problem. I suspect that is the motivation (as opposed to SWM) for obsoleting older units.
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    Irrelevant if we discuss signals, modulations, sats, APG, etc.

    SWiM is in-house delivery short leg.
  10. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    Absolutely untrue. Had in past three owned H20 and HR20.
  11. tigerwillow1

    tigerwillow1 Legend

    Jan 26, 2009
    When my Toshiba HD receiver was replaced by an H21 a few years ago, they told me to keep the Toshiba box and the H21 was registered as owned. YMMV, of course.
  12. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Absolutely untrue? Really?

    How does equipment you have had have anything to do with it?

    Is it possible it's owned? Sure. Is it likely? No.

    Either way, it's not "absolutely untrue". But based on your other posts, I'm assuming you don't really know what that means anyway. English is tricky.
  13. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    You better use your native language after thinking ...a little at least. Instead of blind acquisitions.
  14. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    And you may want to look up the word acquisition...

    Your accusation was pretty blind too.
  15. doctrsnoop

    doctrsnoop Godfather

    Nov 20, 2007
    I don't understand your fears here.

    You may have spent a lot of money back then on that receiver, but now it's worth near zero.

    The H20 will certainly serve just fine as an SD receiver.

    And what sort of equipment did you fear receiving? You would probably get an H21 which is fine. And possibly an H24, even better.
  16. Mark Holtz

    Mark Holtz Day Sleeper

    Mar 23, 2002
    Sacramento, CA
    You do realize that a lot has changed since 1994....
    • If you were running a computer, you were either running MS-DOS with Windows 3.1 or System 7
    • Connecting up to a computer meant using a dial-up modem
    • A fairly new computer ran a 80486 processor
    • A hard drive was around 500 MB, with some having 1 GB
    • "File portability" meant you carried files on a floppy disc instead of a USB or storing it on Dropbox
    • If you talked about Warcraft, you were talking about the NEW Warcraft game from Blizzard. There was no "World Of"
    • My computer monitor was a 14" CRT instead of the 24.6" widescreen LCD
    • Spike TV was known as The Nashville Network
    • AMC really meant American Movie Classics
    • "Timeshifting" a program required a VCR instead of a DVR
    Considering all of the technological improvements, why are you complaining?
  17. SamC

    SamC Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2003
    I will join the piling on here. Like most early adopters, you and I paid a lot of money for receivers that they no longer support. That is life. That is part of being an early adopter of any technology. 1994 model most things no longer work and it really doesn't matter what you paid for them. You have gotten your value.

    As to "equipment roulete", I guarentee that what ever you get will be light years superior to a 1st Gen SD. Its all good stuff.
  18. fleckrj

    fleckrj Icon

    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    On one hand, the RCA receivers I had circa 1999 were the best receivers I ever had. On the other hand, it is time that DirecTV retire all obsolite receivers. After all of the MPEG2 receivers are retired, DirecTV can shut down the MPEG2 transmition and focus on providing only HD. For those who still have an SD TV, the HD receivers will deliver a composit SD signal, but think of the bandwith that can be saved by eliminating all of the SD duplicate channels.
  19. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    I bought my first 1GB HD for $290 I'm betting that if I tried to give it away no one would take it.

    The older tech just isn't worth supporting anymore because it's stopping progress.
  20. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Seattle, WA
    I can remember a 5MB hard drive costing $2000. Really wanted it but no way I could afford it. That would have been around 1980. A year or two later they offered a 15MB drive for $2495.

    So yes, technology certainly does evolve.

    But obsoleting pre 2004 receivers is not even close to the start of getting rid of mpeg2. That will be around for years to come.

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