DTV Now Beta Hardware Tests

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  1. Feb 15, 2019 #21 of 131
    Rich

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    All cable and sat providers seem to be doing anything they can to retain subs. Try this, try that, do something before the sky falls on our heads. Panic mode.

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    It's actually the streaming itself. Think about what happens with sat. You switch to a channel and it takes 2 - 3 seconds for the crypto to sync up and then you get video. No trick play at that point since the DVR buffer is empty. If you pause for 30 minutes or have a recording then you have the full video on a very fast device (SATA drive). With streaming, you don't have huge buffers. You start a program, it takes 0 to say 10 seconds to buffer a little bit. Then it starts playing and keeps a little bit of back buffer and fills the forward buffer in the background. If you "rewind" or "fast forward" or "seek", at least on Amazon Prime, you rebuffer for 0 to 10 seconds. On sat, there is no buffering. That's what makes trick play do-able on there.

    I guess everybody thinks people will give up trick play to lower costs as the concept of streaming is no commercials and watch when you want.

    I'd have to see the hardware and software, and theoretically, I assume its possible for it to work over the internet the same way it works over the dish now, but I can't imagine that it will. Remember, satellites don't care how many people are receiving the stream as it doesn't matter. Streaming services care very, very, very, very much as every viewer puts a bandwidth drain on the infrastructure.
     
  3. Feb 15, 2019 #23 of 131
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    They haven't tried the obvious... lowering prices lol... how about this? If they don't want to lower the headline number, why not cut the cost of additional TVs? +7 or whatever it is now is actually cheap. Somebody in another thread mentioned that Cox is +30 lol.
     
  4. Feb 15, 2019 #24 of 131
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    Why do you see buffering on AP? Wireless? I do have one setup in the living room where I use wireless connections but I don't see buffering on any streaming channel normally.

    The remotes are the problem, I think. Navigation is hard to do with a streaming remote compared to a D* remote.

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  5. Feb 15, 2019 #25 of 131
    SledgeHammer

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    I don't see buffering in the middle of viewing. If I play an episode, I get the wait cursor for a few seconds when it starts up the episode. If I jump using the seek bar, I get the wait cursor again for a few seconds. I didn't mean, in the middle of a show or movie, it'll buffer, I don't get that.
     
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  6. Feb 15, 2019 #26 of 131
    jborchel

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    I have the trickplay functions on my Roku remote and they seem to work. I have backed up to rewatch a scene. I have paused. I have not tried fast forward. Will today when I am watching.
     
  7. Feb 15, 2019 #27 of 131
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    James Long

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    Equipment fees are additional outlet fees. Two streams for the list price, pay more for a third stream. Some day additional streams will be available?

    I believe they backed away to the "identical to satellite" claim (which was probably misheard/misread or both when initially stated). DIRECTV satellite will remain a more robust premium service.


    I'm not sure why people expect prices to go down AND get the same content. Streaming isn't free. As stated previously, anyone selling a streaming service is hoping that their customers do not use all of their subscribed streams at the same time. Take turns! Keep the peak number of connections to the server down. Streaming isn't satellite where one can have millions of customers with multiple receivers where the number of simultaneous viewers has no effect on the network or the service level that can be provided.
     
  9. Feb 15, 2019 #29 of 131
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    People are complaining because prices are going UP AND we get the same content. What has DirecTV added in the past 5 yrs? A few 4K documentaries and a few 4K sports?
     
  10. Feb 15, 2019 #30 of 131
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    Reduces support costs when everyone has Directv managed hardware, and probably because it preserves the $7 per TV cash cow. Also it is possible their contracts with networks have different terms when Directv controls the whole experience end to end, versus going to customer controlled equipment - the difference between 'private IPTV' and OTT streaming.
     
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    There's nothing that stops someone from having the streaming app buffer 30 minutes to allow similar trick play - just need enough RAM in the box to hold 30 minutes worth (easy with SD/HD, would add a noticeable cost if you wanted it for 4K since you're talking ~8 GB) Even if you don't get the trick play for live TV, you should be able to get it for cloud DVR replays. The responsiveness is what I'd worry about - if you have 1/10th of a second lag between hitting a button and getting an action it will be noticeable, and annoying.
     
  13. Feb 15, 2019 #33 of 131
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    DIRECTV needs channels that do not raise their rates every year. The majority of the money DIRECTV is collecting from customers is being passed through to suppliers.
    Hopefully the content providers are investing the money they receive in continued new content.
     
  14. Feb 15, 2019 #34 of 131
    SledgeHammer

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    I would LOVE to have a 1/10th of a second lag between a button press on my HR24 and action. Sometimes it takes up to 30 seconds. Yes, 30 seconds.
     
  15. Feb 15, 2019 #35 of 131
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    Well you are using a 10 year old dvr
     
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    True lol. But has the service changed AT ALL in 10 yrs? Not that I can see. Other then its gone up about $50/mo.

    Actually, they've REDUCED functionality. Where is my trick play in menus, media sharing and classic remote?
     
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    Since I assumed that the streaming apps would just buffer some amount of the program being watched, I was surprised that there was no "pause live TV" functionality in DTV Now. It's amusing to me because the allure of the very first TiVo was "you can pause live TV!", and now decades later, it seems to be an optional feature.
     
  18. Feb 15, 2019 #38 of 131
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    This is what I am thinking about how they can do the full the DTV over IP using the DTV Now App if the DTV Now App doesn't have all the DTV over SatelliteTV features.
     
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    Who says they are using the DTV Now app? They are using software built into the new client the service will use, which can do whatever they program it to do.
     
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