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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

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  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Aug 2, 2007 #1141 of 2967
    Chuck584

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    This issue leads this thread to be the most viewed by a 3 to 1 margin and most replied by an even wider margin.

    Earl, who is well connected, has stated several times recently, "DLB is not in active development, and there are no indications that it will change any time soon."

    I have the time to drop the President of D* a letter regarding the issue.

    I'm not sure what good it will do as I get the distinct impression that what the customer wants is the farthest thing from management's mind.

    It's a crying shame when a company fails to devote adequate resources to the development of their "flagship product" (HD DVR).

    I strongly urge everyone to recall the efforts of fans of TV shows like Roswell and Jericho. Roswell fans kept the show alive by sending bottles of tobasco sauce. Fans of Jericho sent nuts.

    What can we send the head honcho of D* to make the point?

    What my pet cockatiel drops on the cage bottom comes to mind. :)

    Take the time to copy one of the excellent letters posted here or draft your own. If we want DLB, we have to awaken management to their subordinate's complete failure to address customer concerns on all levels. Someone should be called in to explain what has happened since the introduction of the HR20.

    D* does not care and will not care until it hears from enough unhappy customers.
     
  2. Aug 2, 2007 #1142 of 2967
    Mike Bertelson

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    I couldn't agree with you more!

    I posted a letter earlier in this thread. It's one of two letters posted, the other by jaywdetroit (thanks jay).

    I think we should each take the points we like from both letters and customize our own.

    This way each letter is personal and not just the same cut-n-paste form letter. I think it's more likely to get read if it's different from what they've already read.

    I'm going to add a point or two from jaywdetroit's and even edit my stuff a little.

    IMHO, there's another big reason that D* needs to pay attention to DLB.

    In previous posts I listed the offerings by other SP's. The fact that you can watch "2 programs" at once is usually in a quick start guide or brochure but definitely in manual.

    People probably don't know that it's called Dual Live Buffers but they certainty know what it does.

    People want to know what their new SUPERWAMPLADYNE HDTV's can show 'em. They'll talk to their brother or neighbor about DVR's and sit down to see what the box can do. DLB will be a very cool, very easy feature to show 'em.

    Lets face it, to most people a DVR is just a new kind of VCR. All DVR's have tha same basic featrues and I think a lot of newbies will make a choice based on what friends and family tell them.

    With most features being equal...one can watch 2 shows at once and the other can't...which would you choose?

    Mike

    ps - basic features...Try not to start pointing out how one does this/that better than the other. I'm trying to look at it as someone who is new to DVR's. With all the info to take in, I think DLB is one that is likely to stick in someones mine.

    pps - The litter box needs to be scooped daily...:rolleyes:
     
  3. Aug 2, 2007 #1143 of 2967
    Chuck584

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    I think people can tell I was a bit more frustrated than usual last evening with the lack of DLB.

    The disaster occured with the bridge collapse and I tossed on two news channels like I've done for more than 7 years with TiVo. Oops, only one is buffered. Do the lame "work around" and record both channels as the SLB still has some issues.

    The HR20 has been out for about a year now. Some are offended that a majority of people voting on Endgadgets poll rate it not ready for prime time or nearly ready for prime time (or some similar wording). In simple terms, the majority of people feel it is still lacking what it needs to be "Ready for Prime Time".

    D* will spend how many millions to launch satellites and skimp on R&D for the hardware to use the satellites?

    I was looking at TiVo's quarterly results and if I remember correctly they spent around $14 million developing the TiVo HD and on the Comcast roll out.

    I'd like to think D* would dedicate one dollar each of the 16 million subscribers, or $16 million a month on developing the subscribers hardware. Even half a buck would yield $8 million a month to get us boxes which work right and have features virtually every other company does.

    Yet the feature (or more properly the lack thereof) which generates the most traffice here and on other DBS sites is "Not under active developement" or some such.

    Anyone out there know if D* is under the GNU license? If so, what's the link? If D* can't afford the talent to properly develop the software maybe some of us can look at the code and help things along. DLB is not rocket sceince.

    On the happy side I am now the proud owner of a TiVo HD which will shortly have a MS cablecard beating inside. Even after the "sweetheart" period, it looks like my bill might go down if I return to Comcast. Think I could squeeze them to cover the D* cancellation fee? E* would. :)

    I wrote a letter and mailed it today. I covered the DLB issue and an issue I had with email "tech support".

    If the Alien parody commercial were true to HR20 function, "Ripley" could only use one arm and the mech suit would glitch. :lol:
     
  4. Aug 6, 2007 #1144 of 2967
    christo76

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    Once again it can be verified that the HR20 does actually maintain both buffers and only clears when you actually change a channel, or even back to the channel on the background buffer.

    Reason:
    Using the workaround method, I recorded the brewers game on 642. Then tuned into espnhd and watched some nascar. I then went back and forth from the game to Nascar. Just as happens everytime I use this crap method for DLB, it stopped recording durring the top of the 9th. So after confirming the Delete Now, I hit guide. In the small window, of course, EspnHD was on. I changed the guide to 642 and it record on the postgame show that was 45 minutes into it.

    Then I exited to full screen ESPNHD, hit list, selected Brewers Postgame and it started me, 1 pitch after where my recording left off, with all 45 minutes stored.

    So it did maintain the second buffer. If I had exited and tried to tune to 642 then record I know I would have gotten nothing.

    So once again, it does seem the HR20 could easily have DLB. Why it continues to be Off The Table (OTT?) makes no sense to me.
     
  5. Aug 6, 2007 #1145 of 2967
    bonscott87

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    I know this isn't a DLB issues, but why don't you add padding to the end of your games? With baseball I'd think adding an hour padding would be standard in case of extra innings. For example, I always add 30 minute pad to any hockey game I record, 3 hours in playoffs.
     
  6. Aug 6, 2007 #1146 of 2967
    lman

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    With DLB it wouldn't even be necessary to record the 2 games. Therefore padding would not be required.
     
  7. Aug 6, 2007 #1147 of 2967
    christo76

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    With most of my baseball watching (and other sports), I am not planning it ahead of time. I used to just tune to the game (or games) and be set. Now I am trying to do what everyone claims is perfectly simple (and the easy workaround for DLB), but it no where near simple or perfect.

    Can I even add padding to a game that is already recording? I have never tried.

    I spose I could also pull out my VCR and just let it record until the tape runs out....

    The point of my original post is that the HR20 does maintain 2 buffers, and all I ask is that I be able to see that buffer if I turn back to that channel.
     
  8. Aug 6, 2007 #1148 of 2967
    bonscott87

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    I understand and I'm staying out of the DLB discussion. Was simply trying to help you out with your problem of the game running over. Sorry. I'll let someone else try.
     
  9. Aug 6, 2007 #1149 of 2967
    christo76

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    Do you know if you can add additional time after its already recording?
     
  10. Aug 6, 2007 #1150 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    Yes you can...
    You can go into the either the INFO tab, via the recording... or via the todo list... and add time.
     
  11. Aug 6, 2007 #1151 of 2967
    boltjames

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    Update:

    It's now been 12 weeks since I migrated from an HR10 to an HR20 and I don't miss DLB one iota. I feel D* has done a good job in keeping a strong focus on only the important elements in a DVR, and hope they continue.

    BJ
     
  12. Aug 6, 2007 #1152 of 2967
    cygnusloop

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    It's now been 6+ months since I migrated to the HR20, and I miss DLB daily :). Have I learned to live without it? Well, I'm still here, so yeah, I guess I have. Doesn't mean I don't still want it.

    I, too, think D* has done a good job in addressing most the "big" issues with regards to DVR functionality, and I also hope they will continue to address those issues that are still outstanding. As they continue to add new features, I respectfully request that they put DLB on the list.
     
  13. Aug 6, 2007 #1153 of 2967
    lman

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    I'm happy for you, however this thread shows how many of us feel that DirecTV is forcing us to watch high definition with a product(HR20) that is inferior to the DirecTivo since it doesn't even have a basic feature like DLB. I would be satisfied with the same features I had previously. If DirecTV wanted to keep it's customers happy, they would not have eliminated a basic feature like DLB.
     
  14. Aug 6, 2007 #1154 of 2967
    cygnusloop

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    Now, I am most definitely a DLB rabble rouser, but even I can't agree with that statement. While the feature set of the HR20 is different that the SD-DTiVos, and the HR10-250, I wouldn't characterize it as inferior. IMHO, it has a glaring omission (the aforementioned DLB). I think inferior is an unfair characterization of what is in most other ways, a very nice machine. The native mode alone (for me) makes the HR20 a superior DVR when compared to many, if not most, HD-DVR's out there.

    You are certainly entitled to that opinion, lman, but reading it, I felt the need to share my thoughts.
     
  15. Aug 7, 2007 #1155 of 2967
    beer_geek

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    That's great. I'd bet that EVERYONE is happy for you. Now that you have told us how much you don't miss or want DLB, I guess there's no reason for you to continue posting on this thread. I look forward to reading your opinions on the other topics on this board.
     
  16. Aug 7, 2007 #1156 of 2967
    anubys

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    I don't agree with Bolt's opinion...HOWEVER, this thread is about discussing the merits of DLB and NOT a DLB love-in...therefore, his opinion matters and is relevant to the discussion...

    even if his opinion is wrong :D
     
  17. Aug 7, 2007 #1157 of 2967
    beer_geek

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    I never said that his opinion didn't matter. I stated that his opinion on this topic is now known. There's a big difference.
     
  18. Aug 7, 2007 #1158 of 2967
    anubys

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    by the same token, your opinion is now known as well...should you not post in this thread anymore?

    you certainly implied that he should leave this thread and not post anymore (since his opinion is known)...if I misunderstood your post, I apologize...if I did not, then I disagree with you...no big deal...

    I want DLB :grin:
     
  19. Aug 7, 2007 #1159 of 2967
    beer_geek

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    Touche.

    Anyone should post on any thread as long as it is not incessant repetition.
     
  20. Aug 7, 2007 #1160 of 2967
    christo76

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    It's now been 11 months since I migrated from an SD Tivo to an HR20 and I still miss DLB daily. I feel D* has done a good job in keeping a strong focus on improving and fixing the HR20 and hope they will continue this effort by adding one of the most glaring missing features, in DLB.
     
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