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Dual SWIM-16 Multiswitches & Multiple Genie's?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by kikkenit2, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. trh

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    H25 nice idea. And very responsive.
     
  2. inkahauts

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    Yeah, you just cant go wrong with that guy...
     
  3. kikkenit2

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    Wow, thanks for all the help. My head is spinning. I will consider connecting to the internet.
    I don't want to tie up the other room connections because I want those available for future TV's.
    What devices besides the rf remote will allow simple use of controls like fast forward and 30skip
    to every box? And seeing the to do list and percent space available on every box? Where do I get the
    controlling software to control these dvr's from a windows computer? I'll put the decas back on and
    plug a box to my router. Should I connect to the 34 or 24? Thanks to all.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Ok wait, I thought you said you have 8 tvs spread around to the 8 different rooms now? Is that not right?
     
  5. kikkenit2

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    No. I have 1 tv and I want a minimum of 14 tuners there or a maximum of all 19 on 1 tv. I just called tech support. They said if I use wifi I can control the boxes with my android smartphone or a tablet. They said a network cable plugged in won't work. I want to keep the other rooms empty of boxes and TV's for now. No matter what I need to be able to run 19 tuners at once. Right now with the genie 15 is the most I can connect. And that is with long cables laying on the floor temporarily.
     
  6. kikkenit2

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    I will pay $31 for a cinema kit, but I don't want the boxes spread all over the house.
    And 1 16-swim isn't enough. I need another 16 to keep every 8 room feeds available.
     
  7. kikkenit2

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    I need to use all 19 tuners now and be able to connect to the 7 other rooms without future installation hardware added other than more receivers.
     
  8. kikkenit2

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    Default wiring is 2 tuners to 8 rooms. I want to keep that and add 16 tuners to living room with new wiring
    Dish setup is #17 SWM3.

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  9. kikkenit2

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    Multiswitch panel in garage.

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  10. inkahauts

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    Ok I don't have time tonight to redo what I said. I thought you had tvs in all those rooms. Ill explain a little latter then. And how to get it to work with your android.


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  11. slice1900

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    Given how many tuners he wants in one room, he should just send the whole SWM1 and SWM2 feeds (unsplit) from a SWM16 into that room and split them there. That'll give him 16 tuners. If he wants more he can send the output of a splitter off the other SWM16 into there (total three coaxes in that room, and a big ass pile of DVRs) and divide the rest of that SWM16 amongst the other 7 rooms for future expansion.

    What someone could possibly do with 19 tuners on only one TV I have no idea, but he needs to hire a custom installer, or do it himself. This type of install is so far from typical he's not going to get the $49 install guy Directv sends over to do what he wants, or even understand what he wants.
     
  12. kikkenit2

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    I struggled to even post pictures here last night. And when I tried to download
    my first app th the Samsung S4 it said no device available or something like that.
    I can't put receivers in several rooms or I have long hdmi cable runs to the tv.
    Iwant to keep this default wiring in place and add a complete swim-16 to one tv.

    I have had 14 to one tv for seven years. That whole time I read here and nobody
    else watches football/sports like me. I only watch one game at a time. And I do watch
    every game eventually. I don't gamble or fantasy football. Only stat that matters is
    the score. I watch lots of other sports like mma, formula one racing, motogp motorcycle
    racing, golf and even yacht racing this weekend. On Saturday and sunday everything I
    want to watch is on live or same day delayed. I don't watch internet video. I only
    watch high def and always audio through a decent stereo. No wife to complain anymore.

    So I need at least 14 tuners at my tv and want all 19 working now, not just 16. So
    far I doubt I will control the dvr's by tablet or smartphone. If I don't connect
    to internet or deca's dual genie's probably will work. Not only do I want two 16 channel
    multiswitches I need three HR20's replaced next week. All for free. I will tip the
    installer. Right now I can't record every game sunday unless I babysit the early games.
    Good thing Slice isn't rolling to my job. LOL Thanks for the input though.
     
  13. trh

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    Currently you're not allowed multiple Genies.

    The whole point of MRV is to watch shows recorded on one DVR on another. Sounds like a great solution for you other than setting them up to record. While watching a game from another DVR, you have all the same functions you do from your local DVR - pause, 30Skip, Etc. just can't schedule recordings. So you can watch all games with only one remote. The H25 that was suggested obviously doesn't record, so when you select record on a MRV-enabled unit, it shows all the DVRs in that system and you select where you want the show to record.
     
  14. kikkenit2

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    I agree that all these functions are usefull and controlling from a H25 is looks like the best way.
    As long as I can't see each to do list and % free I still need to access each dvr seperately on my tv.
    Therefore they all need to be near the tv for short hdmi cable runs. I am plugging hr34 into router
    and trying to control from android remote control software. I may even have a cinema kit available
    to try here today. I have to see the to do list from each dvr somehow and all the boxes need to be near
    the stereo/tv. It would be nice to get rid of 8 dvr remotes for sure. The upper part of this box was grayed out.
    Finally figured out how to attach files by browsing etc.
     
  15. kikkenit2

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    I was able to see the hr34 & 24 on the free directv remote control app.
    The menu button does nothing. Maybe I need the pro ($$) version.
    And a big tablet would be better. Or a windows version for my computer.
    Can't figure out how to paste a big picture here from computer.
     
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  17. inkahauts

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    Ok, so in lite of you only having the one tv, id run this route then...

    I would have your guy come back out and pull three more lines from the main home theater room to the panel where all the home runs are now. This is IMHO the proper way to do it. Then you could to this...

    dish > splitters in the room where you have the swim16 now. sounds easy to work in that room.

    Splitter outputs 1 to swim16 #1. Splitter output 2 to swim 16 #2

    SWIM 1 OUT 1 >>> Main tv room >>> 2 way splitter >>>>> genie in main room and one hr24 in the other.
    SWIM 1 OUT 2 >>>Main tv room >>> 2 way splitter >>>>> 2 dvrs
    SWIM 2 OUT 1 >>>Main tv room >>> 2 way splitter >>>>> 2 dvrs
    SWIM 2 OUT 2 >>>Main tv room >>> 4 way splitter >>>>> 2 dvrs + one cck

    Should make the wiring of the coax much easier, nothing would need to be moved. Then just turn on and use MRV. Connect to the network too so as one said, you can easily schedule remotely. Heck, with as much as you have, I might still actually add a H25 to the main living room and then you can use that to go through the guide and schedule recordings to other receivers without having to use an ipad or web interface.

    I would then connect one Ethernet cable to the hr34, and then connect one cck unit to the swim 2 outputs. This would allow all units to be seen on the network, allowing for the directv app to be able to control any of the units.

    One other cavet, I do also assume that eventually, as you gain more tvs, you will simply relocate the dvrs one at a time to other rooms so you will have less dvrs in the main room. This will be extremely easy to do with this setup. You would simply move the splitters from the home theater room to the panel one at a time and spread out the dvrs that way. Very simple. You will still be able to see all the info when you go in the other room in terms of % available, but you can easily set up recordings from the main room and watch shows since you would have mrv set up and access via the apps (also a h25 to if you did pop for one of those)

    There is no way to see % availlable or alter series manager list remotely no matter what at this time, but setting up recordings is easy.

    Id suggest setting as much as you can to auto record. Then you don't have to worry about it to much.

    Curios, do you have esata drives on any of these?
     
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  18. inkahauts

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    Ok, see now here is where you need to be careful. you don't want to leave the system like that. you need to have decas on all the receivers that are on the swim other wise the signal from the hr34 and hr24 is going to hurt the non deca receivers. (hr24 and genies have the deca built in, so thats why they work and don't get hurt.)

    The hr34 has a built in cck, so its all you need for the one swim you have now to connect all the recievers to the internet and network, once you have added decas to all the hr23 and earlier recievers. if you add a second swim, then you need the cck just for that swim. (only genies have the built in cck)

    There is no paid version of the actual directv built android app. If its made by directv, it will have full function. You likely found a third party app. Look for the native directv built ones. theres two, one designed more for phones, one more for tablets. they are not identical.

    Also, if you are running all rf, you can program up to three receivers per remote, so you dont actually need ot leave all those remotes out, just use the slider up at the top to switch which receiver the remote works. that will lessen the remotes you need at least.

    Oh and there is no controlling the units via a pc, only set recordings. The tablet and phone apps are the only ones that have the remotes right now as well as being able to surf the playlists and guides and set recordings. OInline is really only setting recordings and surfing the guide..
     
  19. kikkenit2

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    Thanks Inkahauts. Over the years I filled up 28 esata drives. Four per dvr. I don't
    have any connected right now and once they replace most of the hr20's they are
    worthless. And i'll never have time to watch it all. I record so much fresh stuff.

    I never used to trust series links, but they work pretty good now. I will spread them
    out over all the boxes once they finish next week. A lot of it depends on how much
    they are willing to add/upgrade and replace. The more genies and hr24's the better.
    I can easily swap the splitter connections around so I never exceed 8 tuners used
    on each of the four feeds.

    I'm going to push for wiring all 19 tuners in one location and then spread them around
    in the future. This should be the last install/upgrade they have to do. Most of the house
    has vaulted ceilings and no attic. The garage where the multiswitch is has no crawl
    space, but does have an attic. Almost all the existing wiring is hidden now so it would
    be very difficult to make the parallel runs you recommend. I just downloaded all the
    tutorials at solid signal and will study the cinema kits/deca connections etc. the next
    few days. I'll let you know what I end up with and how they ran the wires and mounted
    the second multiswitch.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    Sounds good, looking forward to what they do. But really, dont bother even asking for a second genie, it just wont happen right now.
     

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