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Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by jimd909, Apr 18, 2013.
There goes the Blockbuster channels!!
There goes the Bloockbuster channels.
Rub it in, why doncha???
Yeah, most likely I will drop the since the only channels I care about in it are the Epix channels, and I care even less about a dvd in the mail. So I'll save $3/month and drop the BB@Home to just the EPIX package.
I can't drop from the T250 because of a couple channels that I really like there. So any other savings will have to be from 'dickering for dollars' from the Dish pig!
Wow... so glad I was slacking on moving from my 622 to the Hopper/joey. I was already non-plussed about the fee increase I'd have had to deal with before this. To think, I was about to ask Ray for a quote... hah!
Any dirt members watching... tell Charlie, no thank you... I don't need to be funding your Sprint purchase. Keep this up and you might just drive me to Verizon... they already give me internet and have been begging for my TV business. So far I've said no because Dish has always treated me well, but since that seems to be sliding maybe it's time I saved some money instead.
Coming on the heels of a price hike in February, I find this to be a dangerous move. Dish is going to have to work hard to justify the increased charges, which I suspect have a lot to do with the legal fees involved in defending the Hopper.
I'm investigating my alternatives.
My gut says this is less about needing/wanting more money than it is about trying to control two-Hopper households.
A lot of people were wanting 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey... and if it cost you the same per month to have either config, why wouldn't you want 2 Hoppers instead of a Hopper + Joey? It's a no brainer! Of course you'd rather have the tuners over just a Joey.
So... how does a company control demand? Raise the price on what they want you to take less of...
From the consumer end, yeah it is a huge price hike... but look at it from the Dish end... They make more money off of TWO customers who each have one Hopper than they do ONE customer with two hoppers... Dish would rather be using those Hoppers for new installs of new customers, than stacking them up with existing customers.
That, to me, is the driving force behind this price increase... not a cash grab... but an attempt to nudge their customer base towards making the decision that Dish wants them to make.
So they should jack up the price of Hopper #2 and leave the pricing of Hopper #1 and DVR fee alone. Otherwise they're just begging current customers to leave to get better deals from their competitors.
To leave Dish behind because their pricing no longer makes sense to their current customers? An odd nudge in my opinion.
Seems more likely that they kept pricing lowish and to entice people to switch over to the new technology and lock in, then hit them with fee increases. They seem to think that what they are offering is good enough that people will shrug it off. I'm not shrugging. I'm certainly not going to be recommending Hopper systems to anyone that asks my opinion. Frankly, it leaves me with a less-than-glowing feeling about Dish as a company and I can't say I'd recommend Dish even with the older recievers at this pt.
Oh, I understand the 2 Hopper dilemma they created for themselves. What isn't clear to me is why my single-1st-gen Hopper install is going up $4. How does this nudge me in any direction other than to look around at what else is out there?
If I want 2 Hoppers then I shouldn't be penalized so to speak for more fees, That's like if directv ever allow 2 genies for the same monthly fee as the genie minis but since no one wants minis, they'll get 2 genies and suddenly the fee increases, Why should a company dictate what to get if that is not what I want, This is one of many reasons the two CEOs want a merger.
I didn't say I liked or applaud price raises
Just saying I think this one is more complicated. I think Dish underestimated how many people would want a 2-Hopper install for the extra tuners and realized they were not charging "enough" for that to discourage casual customers from doing that install instead of a Hopper + Joey install.
As for the single-Hopper price going up $4... that probably is tied more to the introduction of the Hopper w/ Sling and a desire to grab a little more cash... so I guess part cash-grab part psychology in play here.
Seen a bill today for mid April - mid May period, same $10 for H and $7 for J. :blowout:
Which will change effective on May 22, I really hope they don't follow through because then Directv will follow suit. But wishful thinking.
DirecTV will follow suit how? Their fee for a multi-room DVR is already $25. And AFAIK, you can only have 1, though it does have 5 discreet tuners, and a 2-tuner OTA add-on available.
I've done my price comparisons, and I'm going to have to eat the cost. While I could save $28/month by switching to the local phone company, I'd be giving up a few channels that I really enjoy. Ditto for downgrading from AT250. But for me, it's only a $4 change. And I've been with the beast that is DirecTV hardware, and I can't stomach going back, not to mention the fact that even a 2-tuner DVR is going to end up costing me more than Dish.
When the day comes where I can stream NASCAR and ATP/WTA tennis, unplugging completely looks like a seriously good option. Until then, I'm stuck.
Doesn't that OTA add on just access 2 of the five tuners?
The directv fee includes the DVR and HD fee. But an am21 does not add tuners. Of course the genie works with regular receivers as well.
The D* 'advanced receiver fee' is a combo of HD, DVR and MRV. E*'s fee is a combo of DVR and MRV as HD is free for life with E*.
Here's some things to ponder about these increases.
1. Hopper lease fee is doubling - IOW a 100% increase
2. Hopper/Joey 'DVR' fee is kind of a misnomer. It is actually DVR=$7, MRV=$3, and since the non-Hopper DVR fee isn't increasing, in reality neither is the Hopper DVR porting. All of the increase is in the MRV, from $3 to $7 which is a 133% increase.
Note that puts the DVR+MRV within a dollar of the same fees for Direct.
Also because of the exorbitant percentage increase, I think a class action (or even individual) lawsuit could be winnable because of a 'material or significant' change in those fees, similar to what was done in the cell arena. Of course with a class action the consumer gets pretty much nada and only the lawyers make out. And doing an individual lawsuit would cost more than any probable recovery.
Just to clarify, the D* Advanced Receiver charge is correct at $25/mth, unless you opt-in for email/paperless billing with ABP (auto bill pay). Then, additional $10 off for 24 months.
Correct, only 1 Genie/HR34 allowed per account when ordering through D* (currently)..rumor has it that may change, but no further info. This link may help with ordering additional HR34s from external source >> http://www.amazon.com/DIRECTV-HR34-Home-Media-Center/product-reviews/B006YTAGBO (click MOST HELPFUL FIRST)
OTA (AM-21) is available for local feed, but does not add tuners (just maximizes local channels where applicable)..highly recommend to use AM-21 with external, mid-range antenna from http://solidsignal.com or http://amazon.com.