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DVR Pros and Cons

Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by music_beans, May 25, 2004.

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  1. dfergie

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    Another pro for the 501/508 and I guess the 510 is the guide info is in the Hard drive, so you can instantly go days into the future instead of waiting for guide info to load :) Replay will go 9 days, do not remember how far the 501 wil go.
     
  2. Nick

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    Gee, my four-year-old Dishplayers (2-7200s) do all those things and more - and they work like a charm. The wireless keyboard is icing on the cake, so to speak.

    Pity they're so obsolete. :grin:
     
  3. RAD

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    And who wrote the software for your Dishplayers, gee, not Echostar. ;)
     
  4. Nick

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    What the hell IS your point, or do you even have one?

    Microsoak did author the PTV side of the s/w, and it was screwed up OOB. MS bailed and EchoStar kept working on the s/w until they finally got it right. Thanks, Charlie! :)
     
  5. RAD

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    Sorry, I seemed to remember on the Chats that Charlie always said that Echostar was waiting on Microsoft to fix something, not that they were fixing it.

    So we have another vote for the Echostar puts out POS hardware/software but give them a few years they'll make it right camp. If you're so patient with them why are you such a rag to everyone else?
     
  6. catman

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    I saw at bestbuy yesterday a DVR forgot the price . Tivo basic is free .
     
  7. Slordak

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    If you use a standard alone unit (rather than one integrated into your satellite receiver), there will be some quality degradation, as noted several times earlier in the thread. The exact amount depends on the quality setting being used for the DVR.

    In my opinion, it's much easier to use DVR functionality which is integrated with your satellite service, rather than having to have a separate box and worry about it having its own guide, controlling the satellite receiver, etc. etc.
     
  8. Mark Holtz

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    Only if you aren't using an intergrated receiver/DVR unit. Both the DishDVR and the DirecTiVo record the datastream as it comes down from the satellite, thus it's already digital.

    A standalone DVR, however, has to encode the signal using a on-board MPEG chip. I don't know on a replay, but there is a quality adjustment on a standalone TiVo that trades off quality for more recording time. Since Dish and DirecTV (in the name of squeezing more channels onto a transponder) use expensive compression technology, no quality setting is needed.

    There is, of course, the cable issue. But one thing is for certain... I won't go back to cable unless I have to, and they have to pry my DVR from my hands. Classes comes first, work comes second, TeeVee comes third. And I am not about to schedule my classes around a TV show.
     
  9. dfergie

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    I usually only record downrezzed hd on my replay(except for upconverted survivors) :) The Replay has option for standard, medium and High quality. On the replay forums they claim medium is near dvd quaility, don't know only record on high. ( I know the bitrate is high when I convert a replay video to dvd) and the quality is certainly better than my sd 501. I bought another replay last week and put it with my X-1, I can stream anything from either replay and have been stuck watching all the downrezzed hd with my x-1 :) I put a 200 gig drive in my first replay a couple of months ago, 200 gigs = 200 hours standard quality or 67 hours at hq, I have since had to put the original 40 gig drive back in it as a slave drive as I was running out of space.... Replay outputs component out-progressive scan. Oh yeah when I got my first replay and the drive was empty... I had 13 hours of buffer time(with the 40 gig drive) don't know what the 200 would show...
     
  10. Slordak

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    You are correct that the quality of down-converted HD, recompressed and stored on an external ReplayTV or Tivo will be better than SD content stored in its original form on the 501/508/510. However, this is because the source quality is so much better, not because the ReplayTV is doing anything particularly good here; it is still degrading the image to some extent.

    If you want the proper comparison, record HD content on the 921, and then compare that to re-compressing it and storing it on the ReplayTV; obviously the content when viewed on the 921 will be superior. Hence, the point I'm trying to make is that you can't do an apples to oranges comparison with the 501 and HD content; the 501/508/510 are for SD, and give the best recording quality one can get on SD, since they store the feed directly as it comes from Dish (complete with any and all Dish overcompression artifacts).
     
  11. kwajr

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    me too 510 301
     
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