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E* to replace ALL receivers for MPEG4

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by larrystotler, Nov 29, 2004.

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  1. Mikey

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    Dog,
    Looks to me from the spec sheets referenced, that MPEG-2 is decoded on the chip, just like 8PSK. Doesn't look like software is the answer to MPEG-4 for existing receivers based on Broadcom technology. By the way, that's from December 1, 2003.
     
  2. gpflepsen

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    I bought the HLM model in Dec 02 for $3200. This was the first generation Samsung DLP. I can live with $700 over two years.

    Honestly, these DLP TV's are less complex than a complete computer system. In a few years, I'd be surprised to not see them hovering around $1000-$1500. A large unit cost of these things will be shipping. You can ship a load of computers at 1/10 the cost of a similar number of these TVs.
     
  3. Mickdog

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    Yes, it is from 2003. Dec 1 2004 is not till tomorow! I have MPEG4 codecs installed on my computer that uses a motherboard mounted SIS 650 video chip. So, why couldnt codecs programed for the chips in the recievers work the same way?
     
  4. Kagato

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    Because the CPU in the STBs hardly has enough power to render the openTV stuff, let alone act as a decoding codec. And Broadcomm, even if the chips were DSPs that could be upgraded, isn't about to release specs on reprograming their chips. There's MUCH more money to be made by selling new MPEG4 chipsets.
     
  5. Mikey

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    Your PC is a general purpose box, with an open architecture, that was built for expansion. Your E* receivers are the exact opposite. They were built to do one thing, and given the minimum amount of resources to do that one thing. There might have been MPEG-2/MPEG-4/8PSK chips available when the receivers were designed, but they would have cost more. Someone made a business decision to go with MPEG-2 last December (well, sometime before that), and now we're living with it.
     
  6. Richard King

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    I have a DLP TV (in the form of an InFocus X-1 projector) hanging from my ceiling that I paid $899 for. 18 months ago that same projector would have run over $1500. A month ago a friend of mine bought a floor model of the same projector for $499 including an extended 3 year warranty. Things do change.
     
  7. Rick_R

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    For my off topic reply: $5000 for an HDTV? Only if you buy the Cadilac. Circuit City has an Akai 52" widescreen for $797.

    On topic again. Changing all STB would allow 8PSK and MPEG4 thus would increase their capacity by about 150%. To get that increase with new satellites would require the launch of 15 new satellites (over the current 10). This number of new satellites would cost near 4 billion dollars. The change out of STB is cheaper plus requires no new satellite slots.

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  8. Mikey

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    $789 is all I get from Social Security
     
  10. larrystotler

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    Actually, it's kinda amusing that every company wants to go ALL DVR, but subs resist them due to the cost, $5 monthly VoD fees, and complexity. It's hard to convince some people how much TV viewing is made better with a DVR. I despise having to watch TV on a standard box.

    MickDog - The processor in my 721 is equivalent to a 300Mhz Pentium II. This is too slow to decode MPEG4 or DiVX. My main PC is a Dual P-III Xeon 500Mhz with 512MB of registered SDRAM and a 10k RPM Seagate SCSI drive & nVidia Geforce 440MX and it has a hard time decoding MPEG4 or DiVX. Add to the fact that the 721 probably only has between 32 and 128M RAM, and you have a huge problem with trying to decode. However, if they had an upgrade card with hardware decoding support, then it would be entirely possible to upgrade the 721 to use the MPEG4. And, since the streams are smaller, you would actually get more total hours as well, and the read and write times would be faster due to less accessing of the HD.
     
  11. Jacob S

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    So you mean my laptop I am running right now is more than 10 times faster than the 721 receiver? Even the computer that I have that is five years old would be about twice the speed as the 721. Thats pathetic!

    Even if the current SD receivers we have now (311, 322, 510, 522) could be converted to do MPEG-4 they still would only be doing SD and not the HD which defeats the purpose of doing MPEG-4 since its to get HD to the consumers (unless Dish Network plans on some customers still receiving SD when they get all these receivers out which dont seem idealistic by that time).

    Its time to let go of some big amounts of cash as you knew this was coming and do the upgrades.
     
  12. MikeW

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    Here's an unrealistic idea. D* and E* combine resources so that they could share locals from one satellite. If E* is going to build new boxes, why not (aside from $$$).
     
  13. Jacob S

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    They were thinking about doing this before when they figured that the merger would not go through. Why couldnt they not only do this with the locals but also for all the other channels as well and just share all the satellite space? They could still keep seperate entities but just share the cost in operating and launching satellites to the main orbital locations. Think of what they could do with all of that space. It is just like Charlie said in the beginning, cable is the real competetor, not the other satellite television service. All locals could be launched in HD along with every other channel when they become available (and a possible upconversion of these until they are made available). Perhaps they should both standardize what they use such as the MPEG-4 so that both companies receivers will be able to receive and use the signals from the satellites.
     
  14. Bob Haller

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    Char;lie said once that the latest boxes at the time were cross compatible in preparation for the merger.
     
  15. Mike Richardson

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    Where do you get that? 8PSK increases bandwidth by about 33%. MPEG-4 is not that good.
     
  16. FTA Michael

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    For one thing, a lot of cable channels leave some time for the cable/DBS company to run their own ads. Dish runs FYI and other ads during those times, and I imagine D* does about the same.

    But with locals, nobody gets to add any commercials, having a common source for them makes sense. Too much sense. :D
     
  17. the_bear

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    I think we are talking about H.264?
     
  18. larrystotler

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    They are planning to move all content to MPEG4, so they can shut down the MPEG2 streams. This will increase their available bandwidth by far. They are doing HD first because it takes up so much more bandwidth.

    As for the 721 being slow, it uses linux, so that helps a great deal.
     
  19. Mikey

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    And the HD customer base is smaller, so it's a better choice for a beta test group. You don't really expect them to get MPEG4 right the first time, do you?:hurah: Anyway, E* had better put a MPEG4 receiver in my house before the cutover. Actually, the receiver needs to do both, since I'll be wathing SD and HD with the same box.
     
  20. Cholly

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    All DLP projectors are not created equal. Your InFocus X-1 is an EDTV projector, but a very good one indeed. The review on Projectorcentral.com raves about the rendering of 1080i signals on this 800x600 resolution projector. Incidentally, the average price quoted on the site is still $899 as of this date.
    There ARE better DLP projectors to be had, but to get to 1920x1080 resolution, it appears from my searching that you have to go to an LCD projector at a huge price (witness $27,000 for a Sony - yep, 27 thousand!)
    :eek2:
     
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