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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by JohnH, May 13, 2004.

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  1. TNGTony

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    Locals that can go at 148°

    Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA
    Eureka, CA
    Bend, OR
    Twin Falls, ID
    Idaho Falls
    Butte / Bozeman, MT
    Great Falls
    Billings
    Glendive, MT
    Bismark, SD
    Rapid City, SD
    Casper, WY
    North Platte, NE
    Amarillo, TX
    Midland / Odessa, TX
    Lubbock, TX
    Laredo, TX
    San Angelo, TX
    Wichita Falls, TX
    Abalene / Sweetwater, TX
    (starting to get a little far east, but it will still work
    Corpus Christi, TX
    Victoria, TX

    I'm not saying they are necessarily going there. I'm just pointing out that all those unserved local markets have a good shot at 148°.

    See ya
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  2. mwgiii

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    Great list Tony.

    What if Dish & Voom are working on some kind of shared service/lease?

    Dish allows Voom to use 148, while Voom allows Dish to rebroadcast HD.
     
  3. James Long

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    Only three LA locals remain on 148. The rest were moved to an LA spotbeam a few weeks ago.

    JL
     
  4. Mike123abc

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    Dish has a ton of capacity on 148... They have 12 empty transponders, plus they could probably consolodate 8 more plus drop duplicate sho/hbo east and have a total of 21 transponders to use on another project. The cities that Tony listed above could all be put on there and probably use 10TPs... That could leave 11 TPs left. They have enough room to do all the above LIL, put the west coast feeds of all the standard def AT180 channels, and all the west coast HDTV feeds too... Of course all the east coast people would complain that they could not get all the west cost feeds!
     
  5. Rodney

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    Does it not seem logical that the content provider that negotiated the programming rights with VOOM would have to approve such an agreement? Do you thing that STARZ HD, for example, would happily agree to allow their programming to be viewed by millions of additional subscribers with no increase in fees. Not likely. An agreement of this type would have to include negotiations between VOOM, Dish, and those content providers impacted by this concept.
     
  6. juan ellitinez

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    Wouldnt an increase in subs= an increase in fee's? I'm sure E* wouldnt give voom away for free
     
  7. Adam Richey

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    If Mike123ABC's calculations are correct, Dish may be able to correct the 2 Dish dilemma AND carry nearly ALL of those markets Tony mentioned. I have done some calculations and looked at the Proposed Locals page on the DBS Service Desk site. I have included ALL channels eligible for must carry and noted LP stations that aren't but could be included in certain markets. I included some out-of-market PBS stations that are available in that market anyways on cable. Here we go:

    Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA: 7 channels
    Eureka, CA: 5 channels
    Bend, OR: 6 channels (1 LP FOX)
    Twin Falls, ID: 6 channels
    Idaho Falls, ID: 7 channels (1 LP UPN)
    Butte / Bozeman, MT: 6 channels (1 LP UPN)
    Great Falls, MT: 5 channels
    Billings, MT: 6 channels
    Glendive, MT: 4 channels
    Bismarck, SD: 5 channels
    Rapid City, SD: 6 channels (1 LP WB)
    Casper, WY: 6 channels (1 LP UPN)
    North Platte, NE: 6 channels (1 LP FOX)
    Amarillo, TX: 6 channels
    Midland / Odessa, TX: 8 channels
    Lubbock, TX: 4 channels
    Laredo, TX: 7 channels
    San Angelo, TX: 5 channels
    Wichita Falls, TX: 7 channels (1 LP UPN / PAX)
    Abilene / Sweetwater, TX: 6 channels (1 LP UPN / PAX)
    Corpus Christi, TX: 7 channels (1 LP FOX, 1 LP UPN)
    Victoria, TX: 6 channels (1 LP NBC, 1 LP UPN)

    The TOTAL number of channels that includes all LP stations and potential PBS inclusions is 131. Could E*2 do that AND take care of the 2 dish problem?
     
  8. TonyM

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    The only thing is...where are all the locals on 148 (& 61.5 for that matter) right now going to go?
    The list that TNGTony listed are markets that aren't on Dish right now.

    They might have to move some small town locals already on 110/119 to 61.5 or 148 to comply with the "one for all" dish. They can swap some towns that can see 148 for areas that are on 110/119, but 61.5 is another animal.

    148 is covered, but isn't 61.5 already almost full?
     
  9. Adam Richey

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    I know that, and 61.5 is probably pretty full right now. I'm just saying that Dish could move some west coast markets to 148, and the space freed on 119 and 110 could bring the 61.5 locals over, barring any trouble with spot beams which I'm SURE will be a problem in some cases.
     
  10. JohnH

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    Seems like some of this activity may be part of a use it or lose it campaign.
     
  11. Darkman

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    "Use it or Lose it" - WTF! :)

    What type of compaign is that one... John...

    Somehow something else comes to mind... when i hear this expression ;)
     
  12. JohnH

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    New Satellite licenses come with a requirement that the capacity be used not just stockpiled.
     
  13. Mike123abc

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    Most of the locals are on spot beams. The few transponders on 110 that are used for LIL on national beams are probably going to go to the new spot beam satellite being launched next year. So, no net savings by moving any of the LIL from 119/110.

    Now the only thing that could happen is if there are 2 markets on a spot beam with some wing satellite secondary stations is if they moved one of the 2 markets to the wing and move the wing of the other to the spot. I find this unlikely since they would have to run put second dishes on every account in the market. Most likely the new spot beam satellite will take care of the "wing" stragglers.

    Dish could put a bunch of the small west coast markets on 148, and probably next year move many of them to the new spot beam satellite.
     
  14. Darkman

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    Oh ya! .. Now i remember :D
     
  15. garypen

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    Legally, Dish couldn't just start airing channels that were licensed by Voom, simply because they partner with Voom. They need to have permission of the content providers themselves, such as TW, NBC, Viacom, etc.

    OTOH, Dish could show the Voom "HD Originals", such as Rave, Rush, Monsters, etc, as Voom/Rainbow is the content provider of those channels.

    Of course, this is all moot, if the rumors of a Dish/Voom partnership aren't true.
     
  16. TNGTony

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    Well....what COULD happen (I'm not saying it will and I personally think its pie in the sky) is that Dish and Voom partner like USSB and DirecTV did in the beginning. Or like Sky Angel and Dish do now. Compatible receivers, different companies providing different programming choices and theoretically, everyone benefits. THAT would be a marketing boom.

    See ya
    Tony
     
  17. cdru

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    Yeah. That's exactly what Dish wants to do. Piss off a bunch of congress critters. I'm sure there wouldn't be any backlash or retribution from that.
     
  18. TowJumper

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    Have you seen Charlie in action lately? Would this not be his style?

    With a no 2 dish requirement the only target of such a rule would be E* - and consider Charlie's comments on his earnings call about how the some of the same Congress members that *wanted* Dish to have locals in their states now are in favor of this rule.

    This play by Charlie would be completely consistent. Can you not just see Charlie coming on the air and spinning this one dish rule as an attempt to screw his customers, write your congressmen or lose your service etc?

    Of course he would and probably will.
     
  19. Shub

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    From what I've seen, the only market where people routinely care about the channels on the second dish is San Francisco. And now that KRON-4 is on 119/110 that's dropped off a lot. For those that markets that would have to be moved to the wings if a one dish rule is put in place--I don't know how many, but *some* would have to be--yes, the customers get screwed. One dish for most locals and an optional free dish for locals 90% of the customers don't even know what they are, or one dish for AT/premiums and another dish for locals?

    If you don't like/can't have a second dish, yeah, it's a big deal. If my area's locals were moved to 61.5 my second dish install would end with the installer calling dispatch to report a NLOS due to trees. Fun stuff!
     
  20. Slordak

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    I'm not sure you can make a generalization about folks not caring about locals on the second dish. For every person who says "Ahh those minor channels on the second dish, who cares", there is someone who says "I'm addicted to watching the Spanish channels!". Consider Chicago, where a number of locals are on 61.5, even though the major locals are not.
     
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