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EchoStar Battles Pirates on eBay

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Jason Nipp, Mar 16, 2006.

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  1. diospyros

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    Ummm, I read the SEC filing from Echostar and the parts of it that discuss this are grammatically ambiguous, but I believe what it actually means is that the old cards have been compromised (which everyone already knows) and the new ones may be hacked in the future. I believe Joyzelle Davis of the RMN misunderstood the filing. If I am correct, then then the only report about this which is *both* factual and informative is from Kudelski: it's the older cards.

    It's odd that E* is not naming the bad guys. Probably part of the agreement. This would be unfortunate since it implies those guys have just gone on to selling something else now.

    http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20060316:MTFH25942_2006-03-16_12-58-05_L16536666&symbol=KUD.VX&rpc=44
     
  2. DakotaKid

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    Just because I by a smart card programmer, doesn't mean it's for signal theft. That's like saying if I purchase a firearm, I should be prosecuted because I could use it in the act of committing a crime.
     
  3. James Long

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    Just playing the odds. There are more legit reasons to buy a gun than a smart card programmer.
     
  4. stonecold

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    James that is where your wrong. I own a card programmer that runs on the 3.86 mhz crystal and know what is for ID badge to unlock doors. Techincally with the right softare that card programmer could be used for evil but I am just hear to say that just because some one has a card programmer does not make them a pirate . That is why dish has not gone after people who own them as they saw how that line of BS did not work for direct tv lawsuits.


    I notice a severe decline in FTA boxes over the last week on ebay they were probably selling fta boxes flashed with the firmware to decode dish and dish busted them on it.
     
  5. James Long

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    Don't be so sensitive. Nobody is calling you a pirate.

    Most legit users can find better sources than eBay.
     
  6. stonecold

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    I am not reffering to card programmers on ebay. But card programmers in general.

    Lets go with your statment that there more legal uses for a gun

    Well you can legally do the following with your gun


    ( from a civilian point of view)
    Hunt
    Protect your Family and Home
    General fun ( shooting range / skill improvement)
    Collector


    Card programmers can be used for

    Locks
    computer authtenication
    development of conditional access module ( rare unless you are working for a a company that offering pay services and even thenwhy do it your self when there is a number of companies like NDS and Kuldeski group that will sell you there system)
    Changing yoru pin number on Amex cards ( amex gave away programmers running on the 1.2mhz that allow you to some 20 different things I never use them all because I have th internet and most of the things amex was excited about with there smart credit cards well can be done on line.) the one I thought twas the cutest was you could a browser plugin and when you were at a ecom site you put the card in the programmer and it filled in the info for you hailarious. )

    Phone book backup. I often back up my sim card and clone my sim card on my two business phones (Nextel and tmobile) I have a little holder they go in an bam. Now I really should not count this one as most people will just buya data cable to back up there phone books. But the clone sim function is neat as I have multiple phone shtat I can simply pick up and use with out having to go through the hassle of removing the orginal sim from one phone into the spare when the battery dies on the first.

    There are way too many legal uses for them and more legal uses for them over guns. Now I thinkg it is safe to say that while there are all these uses for smart card programmers that

    A. only 1 in 5000 really have a legit uses for it
    B. Like you said they would not be buying them off ebay.

    Though I really have not seen the card programmers on ebay as much as fta boxes claming to get all the dishnet signals.

    Example is mine Mine cost close to 500 dollars but it also has adjustable freq to support any freq a cardmight need.
     
  7. James Long

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    Then you have gone off topic for the thread. This thread is about how E* is battling pirates on eBay and the response you took umbrage to was in relation to a post suggesting that an eBay smartcard seller may just be an E* employee looking for hackers.
     
  8. cboylan3

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    You make an incorrect statment.....
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    Stonecold sets it straight, and you deflect by telling him he's gone off topic.....whatever


    oh wait, you must have ment smart card programmers on ebay....oh, so its illegal depending where you buy them?:rolleyes:

    sounds like you've been spending too much time with Larry of Signal Integrety over at D*.

    "I don't know of any legitamate use for a smart card programmer, except as a door stopper"

    "If they are legal, then they would be sold at Radio Shack"
     
  9. FTA Michael

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    No, if you're creating a secure login system for your computer network, it's not illegal to buy and use smart card programmers. But if you buy the equipment from Edz Hak Shak, even if it's only because Edz is cheaper, you're painting a target on your back.

    It's possible that somebody out there innocently bought equipment from Edz Security Specialists without finding out that it's a subsidiary of Hak Shak, but so far, all the stories I've heard about innocent buyers having to prove their innocence started with a purchase from the wrong online store.
     
  10. James Long

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    I realize that certain members are oversensitive about this issue ... they don't want to be assumed thieves for owning a smart card programmer. And I don't assume that they are thieves whether or not they own a programmer (unless they start posting information on how to use a programmer with E* cards/equipment).

    It seems that some dost protest too loudly. The issue here is ebay and E*.
     
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