EchoStar Rejected by High Court Justice, Must Halt Distant Networks

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  1. Aug 23, 2006 #81 of 244
    steveT

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    Yes, it is hard to believe. But true. I've talked to Dish about this as well. They told me that in most major cities, they get a direct digital feed from the local station. But the Dallas stations won't do it, and so Dish actually picks up the signals here over the air, then sends it on to Colorado to get uploaded to sat. The local stations confirmed that for me too. What goes out over the air here is exactly what we get back on the dish.

    My reasons previously for staying with dish, not switching:

    1. Got my waiver on local CBS. Don't want to lose that.
    2. Grandfathered on Superstation package. Don't want to lose that either.
    3. Integrated dual-tuner DVR (721). Don't want to downgrade picture quality by going with D*'s Tivo-based solution.

    I guess at least two of those are now at risk of going away. Like someone else here just asked, will I have to start the waiver process all over if I switch to D*? I lucked out last time and found one reasonable person to grant it at the local CBS station. What are the odds that will happen again?
     
  2. Aug 23, 2006 #82 of 244
    BillyBob_jcv

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    That's fine with me. I don't consider administration of a gov't program to allow someone to receive a specific TV station worthy of my tax dollars. If that means I lose access to a sat channel - oh well. Shut the whole thing down and let the free market take over. If your market is too small to be in an area serviced by a content provider, that's too bad - but not my problem, and not a problem that needs to be fixed by tax-funded gov't regulation.

    It isn't copyright infringement if the companies involved enter into an agreement. I understand I'm on the outside here - but maybe the old business model is no longer viable. Maybe locals should be looking to the internet as their primary distribution channel. If you want a local station - subscribe directly with that station to have access to the content. Or maybe local network affiliates no longer make sense - maybe the big networks should handle national broadcasting, and the locals should handle only local content. I don't have all the answers, but I think the market should be allowed to figure this out, and we don't need to spend tax dollars to build and maintain a gov't bureacracy to administer it. These are big businesses making serious money - and they make that money (one way or another) from consumers. If they want my money, they will find a way to reach me.
     
  3. Aug 23, 2006 #83 of 244
    Deputy-Dawg

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    The problems with local stations are not isolated in Dallas!! In the Fort Smith / Fayetteville, AR the locals on E* are so bad as to be un-watchable at times. The local NBC outlet on E* looks like it is being recieved an extremely badly aligned analog reciever. It appears as if the IF has been extremely peaked ("ringing" around the edges of objects) has sound bars in the video and sync buzz in the audio. The local PBS and FOX channels have been off the air with the message "No signal found" numerous times over the last few months.

    An OTA antenna would do me no good as I am in a hole between two mountains on the edge of Beaver Lake. The images supplied by the local cable provider are as bad as E* (indeed they look like the same signal) and D* is no better. When (note I am not saying if) DNS goes away I plan on simply not watching the major networks. Indeed I find I am not watching them much anymore anyway. To bad to, at 73 I have found memories of them in their Hay Day but that is changing.

    In the end the killing of DNS could backfire on everyone, the local stations, the networks and E* as well. I my opinion they have earned it.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2006 #84 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    The satellite companies are responsible for receiving a quality picture off the air, not the affiliate. You were complaining to Congress and the local stations over a problem likley caused by Echostar's less than adequate facilites. Did you also complain to Dish?
     
  5. Aug 23, 2006 #85 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    What do you expect after he drank that much?
     
  6. Aug 23, 2006 #86 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    Echostar was sued for violating copyright statutes. The FCC rules are incidental.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2006 #87 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    It really depends on where you live. For instance, WTVH in Syracuse can claim about 2/3rds of Utica, WRGB can claim the other 1/3rd. Both are carried on Dish and could be sent to Utica using the '"Significantly Viewed" rules even without LiL in Utica.
     
  8. Aug 23, 2006 #88 of 244
    Thinker3932

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    So, I am new to sat tv, but have read this whole thread. A few newbie questions:

    I thought local were all transmitted via spot beams...how can one get "distants" if they are not in the beam?

    What was the original criteria for distants, such as the gentleman who has an RV and thus a waiver? So, these waivers were granted by a local affialiate to say an individual could get a "distant"?

    My only interest in "distants" or whatever is to watch my hometown news when I am 500 miles away in Boonhill, MT. I assume if I am out of the spot beam, I can't get the locals.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2006 #89 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    The difference is that the local Florida paper has not signed a contract for exclusive territorial rights to the same stories that are on the Dallas web pages.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2006 #90 of 244
    James Long

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    They do not have to go to extraordinary measures. The affiliate is responsible for getting the signal to the point of presence. In most cases that isn't a problem (pops are generally located in or near a tower farm).
    The stations offered as distants are carried on conus beams.
    True. If you are out of the spot for locals being carried on a spotbeam you physically won't get those locals.

    You will also have to "move" to do that (give E* a service address in your 'hometown' despite where your dish is set up).
     
  11. Aug 23, 2006 #91 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    The text of the law according to:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpque...fbI&refer=&r_n=sr042.106&item=&sel=TOC_68808&

    (A) if the pattern or practice has been carried out on a substantially nationwide basis, the court shall order a permanent injunction barring the secondary transmission by the satellite carrier of the primary transmissions of
    that television broadcast station (and if such television broadcast station is a network station, all other television broadcast stations affiliated with such network), and the court may order statutory damages not exceeding $250,000 for each 6-month period during which the pattern or practice was carried out; and
     
  12. Aug 23, 2006 #92 of 244
    Tower Guy

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    In most cases signal measurements are made before a POP is selected. A location with a poor signal should not have been selected as a receive site in the first place.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2006 #93 of 244
    oldave

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    In Macon, GA, the receive site is at WMGT (NBC-41... the calls actually stand for "We *MIGHT* Get Television") in downtown Macon. All the Macon network affiliates are up on their digital signal (granted, mostly light-bulb-weak).

    A couple of weeks ago, WMGT lost the klystron in their analog transmitter. The DISH feed was down Friday into Sunday. It was possible (if you held you mouth right and your left leg in just the right position) to see their digital signal (I'm only 16 miles from the transmitter - terrain is a problem, though).

    The Cox cable feed stayed up - I don't know if Cox uses the digital or if they have a fiber feed - the Fox affiliate has claimed they're running fiber to Cox.

    You'd think WMGT would just provide a feed to DISH, since it's in the building... :rolleyes: but nooo... when we get it, we get all the horrible ghosting, etc.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2006 #94 of 244
    wkomorow

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    Good one - frat pictures do tell all. And this actually tells you what is wrong with the current DMA system. I have no interest in McSweeny and I should know nothing about his indiscretions nor do I really care about Joe Bruno's granddaughter's break up with her boyfriend, but I know all about them. Even though I live in MA and I get the Boston Globe delivered daily, I am bombarded on the local news out of Albany about what is happening in NY. I want to know how much will be coming out of my paycheck to fix the Big Dig fiasco - not that NY taxpayers are picking up parts of the Porco legal fees.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2006 #95 of 244
    Chris Walker

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    I strongly believe there will be a settlement and there will be no disruption. Many of us distant subs are long time high paying customers and are probably worth $500 a pop to Charlie because it'd take well more than that to get a similar quality customer to replace us. They spend $400+ on just an average sub
     
  16. Aug 23, 2006 #96 of 244
    wkomorow

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    But the question is how many subscribers will actually leave if their distants are shut off, knowing that they will need to go through a requalification process with Direct, and knowing that they will need to have Direct requests waivers. Especially given that many of us are grandfathered or received waivers before our local channels were available. I doubt that many stations will be granting waivers when their channels are available in local packages to that customer via satellite.
     
  17. Aug 23, 2006 #97 of 244
    James Long

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    Anyone who considers leaving should look at the big picture.
    See what you will get if you go to D* ... look at the entire package.
    Waivers are the hard part because you won't know until you get them or get denied.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2006 #98 of 244
    narnia777

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    I switched to Directv a couple years ago. But I keep Dish for Sky Angel and for a few super stations and for 3 waivers I have for distants. I like them and want to keep them took months for me to get the waivers.

    I hope I can keep them.

    Jim
     
  19. Aug 23, 2006 #99 of 244
    toomuchtv

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    IF I can get "significantly viewed in either of two DMA's, I'll stay. Otherwise, I will have to switch to (shudder)cable.
     
  20. dishrich

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    HUH??? - you DO know that the D-Tivo's record the sat bitstream directly, EXACTLY like the E* units do... :confused: ;)
     
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