EchoStar Rejected by High Court Justice, Must Halt Distant Networks

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  1. Stewart Vernon

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    In addition to what JL said about some locals being on conus... I believe there are a few places where spotbeams overlap, so there are some customers who are located in the fringes of multiple spotbeams and could "choose" from amongst the ones they can see from their location.
     
  2. jrbdmb

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    I've read multiple posts where it is said "I'll take my waivers to D*." First, waivers will not automatically transfer. Second, will D* file waivers if you already receive local channels? (I ask this because most distant network subs appear to also get their locals, but prefer the distants for one reason or another.)

    The other thing not noted here yet is that if E* does reach a settlement with the networks, the rules for qualifying for distant NETs may change drastically, i.e. no waivers, no NETs if you get locals, no grandfathering. The NAB and locals affiliates want your eyes watching the locals, so I expect any settlement will result in a drastic reduction in the number of qualifying subs.
     
  3. scooper

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    Yep - like a very strict observance of the SHIVA - if you got locals , no distants (at least for the networks in your DMA). And this might have to be verified by a site visit (If i was on the networks side, I would insist on this).
     
  4. jonsnow

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    This ruling makes sense only to a powerfull elite in government who wants control over peoples lives. I makes no economic or pursuit of happiness sense whatsoever.
     
  5. Greg Bimson

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    Really? It appears that Echostar would like to fork over $100 million to the remaining plaintiffs for the right to continue distant networks. The affiliate boards and FOX appear to want about $375 million for that right. Sounds like an economic pursuit of happiness by the plaintiffs.
     
  6. steveT

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    I did complain to Dish. They were the ones that first told me they'd tried to get a better signal from all the Dallas stations, but none would provide one. They're also the one who told me that unlike other major markets, Dallas won't give them a direct feed, forcing them to pick it off the air. The local stations confirmed all this for me. So basically Dish is just deliverying exactly the same pic quality that you can get here OTO or by cable. It's garbage-in, garbage-out...
     
  7. Mike D-CO5

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    Sounds like extorsion to me- Corporate Extorsion. Dish will have to pay or lose the right to broadcast to truckers and rvers etc. It looks like it is going to ge a very ,very expensive month or two for Dishnetwork when they have to unass all this money to keep their service running the same as it has always run.

    I hope Charlie understands that playing by the rules is the way to go. IF he wanted to effect change with the distants networks issues he should have lobbied Congress to change the rules instead of acted in disregard of them. With regards to Tivo he better pay up and forget about suing them later. Just pay and be done with it.

    MOVE ON ALREADY!!
     
  8. steveT

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    I posted the same question on another thread on dbstalk, and thought it said Tivo required additional compression. Looking back at that thread, I missed the responder's comment that it didn't apply to DirecTivo, which they said operates just like the Dish DVR. Sorry, my mistake.
     
  9. restart88

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    I think it's time to fight against protected territoties. Personally I could live without any locals anyway. Unfortunately, if every DBS subscriber said "NO" to locals of any kind it wouldn't change a thing.

    As I've said before, the way it ought to be is you should be able to receive any channel a provider is willing to make available. Heck, a few local channels are still available via internet or FTA feed! And even how you receive programming is in the midst of change.

    This "penalty" hurts subscribers more than anyone, but of course the intent, I suppose, is to force subscribers to jump ship and go with another provider. Amazing that the government can approve a deal to allow 1 company to make 70%+ of all the washing machines but it's a major no, no to provide a quality TV signal to those who want one. It looks like the consumer is no longer priority #1, assuming it ever was.

    I'm sorry it had to be Justice Thomas to deny the appeal. Usually I enjoy and support his opinions. I guess he made his decision based on the merits of the origional complaint with respect to contract law. I guess some days it sucks to be a Constitutional Constructionist. :lol:

    Still, I wish I could think of some way to make the networks suffer a consumer's wrath. :mad:
     
  10. restart88

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    I know what you mean! Here in FL they often have 24/ 7 coverage or at least frequent "news flashes" anytime there's a hurricane anywhere within 500 miles of the coast. I really wish I could have the option to receive the networks from another market because you can only be told to "hunker down" so many times before succumbing to the temptation to throw a brick at the TV. :D
     
  11. psnarula

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    abc, nbc, cbs, fox, and wb (soon to be cw) in new york and los angeles are all on national feeds. new york also has upn on a national feed. you could "move" to one of these cities and you'd get their locals. you won't get the minor locals that are on a spotbeam but you won't get 24 hour hurricane coverage in either of these locations. when you do care about hurricane coverage, you can use some rabbit ears.
     
  12. JohnH

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    There is nothing to say that ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX will stay on ConUS if the Distants go.
     
  13. marty43

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    I don't think there is any law that says E* has to put NY and LA on a spot beam, it might be wise on their part to keep them on conus.
     
  14. FLWingNut

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    Could you really live without locals? Do you really care about nothing that goes on in your town? Locals provide a necessary service; I don't understand all the venom directed at the concept of locals. "Lost" is the same on the Huntsville ABC as on the NYC ABC. If you can get locals, why all fighting to get stations from out of town? Does it really matter which station you watch "American Idol" on?

    I've heard the timeshifting arguement -- get a VCR or DVR. I've heard the annoyance with pre-emptions for local programming -- the bumped network show is usually broadcast at a later time, where you can record it, and does it really happen that often with first-run network programming anyway. A local ABC affliliate that pre-empts "Desperate Housewives" for a Little League gane or for Billy Graham is committing economic suicide. Weather interuptions happen, and they're usually important to your viewing area. That falls under the s**t happens catagory.

    If another town's news is so important to you, maybe you should move (not "move") there, and then there's no problem. Take the time to get to know your town -- the one you live in.

    And when it all comes down to it -- it's just TV. ;)
     
  15. Tower Guy

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    Poppycock. Over the air TV can be excellent quality. The only garbage would be caused by a poor location for a pick-up point. That's in Dish's control, not the affiliates. The excuse that the affilaite won't feed them directly is probably a refusal by the affiliates to pay for Dish's location mistake.
     
  16. psnarula

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    Sincerely Yours,

    The National Association of Broadcasters
     
  17. FLWingNut

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    Point being...?

    What's wrong with getting to know YOUR city, not the one you left? I moved from Detroit 20 years ago, and each stop I've made, I've tried to get to know my new city. I've lived in Florida for ther last 17 of those years. I still root for Detroit sports teams, but I have almost no interest in getting Detroit locals. For what? Any important news from there I can get off the internet or from my folks. I need to know what's happening HERE and my locals do that.

    And no one has answered my main point -- (aside from technical issues) what bloody difference does it make which ABC affiliate you watch "Lost" on?
     
  18. Deputy-Dawg

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    Locating a OTA reception site can be a bit complicated! Not all markets have a common location were all of the outlets have their transmitting antennas (like on top of the Empire State building in NYC). Out in the "country" as Dallas is and certainly like the Fort Smith /Fayetteville market the transmitter sites may be seperated by many miles and by significant geographic obstructions. E* certainly cannot afford, nor should they have, to install seperate reception sites for each of the outlets.

    But frankly I do not believe that there can be any consumer friendly resolution to this problem so long as the "locals" are given an absolute controling vote (veto) in this matter. The law, in my opinion, should provide that the locals, if they wish to have this control, would have to deliver a signal of suitable quality to any willing service provider such as E*. This could be fairly easily acccomplished if they were required to broadcast an ATSC signal.
     
  19. Deputy-Dawg

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    Couple of questions:

    First of all am I correct in my understanding that this decision will cause the removal of the CBS-HD feed? It would seem so since is tied to the DNS subscription, or so I understand it.

    Second, I am an annual subscriber - just renewed my subscribtion earlier this month - what, any refund or adjustment will I be entitled to if DNS is shut down. Before you answer this read the residential service agreement portion which is extracted below. It seems to me that strictly interpreted that E* is not obligated to make any adjustment.

    "In the event that we delete, rearrange or change any programming, programming packages or other Services, you understand and agree that we have no obligation to replace or supplement any programming, programming packages or other Services previously offered that have been deleted, rearranged or otherwise changed. You further understand and agree that you will not be entitled to any refund because of a deletion, rearrangement or change in the contents of any programming, programming packages, or other Services previously offered. "
     
  20. Tower Guy

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    We're talking about Dallas; not New York or Arkansas.

    Both New York and Dallas have transmitters in almost the same spot.

    In Fort Smith there's about 50 miles between the ABC and NBC transmitters. They are both on UHF, so a highly directive receive antenna is not that large.
    Here's a data center that's on a favorable location for TV reception:
    http://www.kirkhamsystems.com/index.php?q=datacenter
     
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