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Emergency Brodcasts and DVR's

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by deltafowler, Feb 15, 2009.

  1. Stewart Vernon

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    Personally, I would think folks would love this IF broadcasters would do it as an additional signal instead of an overlay.

    In my mind, what I envision is a day when the scroll isn't actually part of the video on the broadcast but rather separate digital information streamed... so that your DVR recording could be "pristine" and scroll/alert-free but your receiver would display the crawl (live or during playback) at the time when the emergency/weather/whatever was happening.
     
  2. jacksonm30354

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    Actually I think Cable does have EBS alerts. If you are watching live or DVD and a warning comes through it changes the channel to an emergency alert channel. Problem is if it occurs while you are away during a recording, it doesn't change the channel back every time so you get home and missed your show(s)
     
  3. deltafowler

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    Because many people simply don't have one.
    But most do have a television, and I suspect that most will have a DVR in the next 5 years.
     
  4. deltafowler

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    Probably more than would care to admit.
     
  5. deltafowler

    deltafowler Duplicate User (Account Closed)

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    See the post above yours.
     
  6. dennisj00

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    I'm sorry but this argument is about as bad as the pros and cons of delaying the digital switch.

    EVERYBODY might have a TV but they don't come on by themselves no matter what the DVR does. My TVs are not on most of the night.

    So an alarm radio is waiting 24 x 7 to let you know there may be a problem in your area.

    If you can afford a TV and DVR you can certainly afford a $30 weather radio.
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    Using that logic, though, then why have any alerts on TV at all? Force everyone to also own a special radio and never broadcast any emergency info on TV at all. Right?

    Rather... I think IF TV is going to be used as a means to communicate, and broadcast alerts, then the system should be updated and improved to take into account the different ways we use our TVs today so that we don't miss the important info they are broadcasting if we so choose.
     
  8. dennisj00

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    TV and Radio stations are mandated by the FCC to broadcast emergency information. However, that doesn't mean that you'll receive it when your TV or radio is off.

    I'm just saying that there's a perfectly good, economical receiver available that will warn you 24x7 -- something your TV or AM/FM radio can't do if they're off.

    Why complicate the DVR functionality?
     
  9. deltafowler

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    Because the potential exists to save lives.

    And "complicate DVR functionality."?
    Are you serious? ...and you have a DirecTV DVR.
    That's like adding oars to a bicycle with square wheels. Can it really be made worse? :lol:
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    Normally I too am against over-complicating and combining features (like the commercial parody about the cellphone with a built-in pepper grinder)... but in this case I think it would make sense and would fit with built-in features already there.

    I can make a much stronger case for a DVR displaying a scroll or popup Emergency Alert than I can caller ID. Given that caller ID is useless unless you have a phone to talk to people... why is that feature on our DVRs?

    But I know a lot of folks like it... and a similar Emergency alert display feature would actually be more value if it helped call your attention to an emergency situation while you were otherwise engaged watching a movie.
     
  11. deltafowler

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    No, it will let YOU know.
    I don't see how a radio at your house is going to help me. :p
     
  12. Lee L

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    I agree that the alarm radios are probably the best idea here. No reason to overly complicate things when there is an existing solution already.

    Now, if they could couple this automatic DVR system with something that would keep me from having my show interrupted when I watch it at a later time, when the weather or other issue has passed, I might be swayed as that is a huge benfit IMO. In fact, there is absolutely no reason that once the DTV switch finally happens, that they cannot just scroll something on teh bottom saying please tune to channel x.1 for emergency info and run it there. THat way, ther eis no reason to interrrupt a show at all.
     
  13. djlong

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    On the one hand you have emergency radios already manufactured with functionality who's express purpose is to warn people of emergencies.

    On the other hand you have innumerable manufacturers of TVs, DVR, DVDs, BR, etc.

    Not only would you have to inject the technology into every television, but into every source of programming from rabbit-ears to someone's PC playing YouTube videos.

    And NONE of that works for the person sleeping or reading a book - while a radio with an alarm *does*.
     
  14. compac

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    Who buys these NOAA Wx radios... not the avg user. Bet even in this l33t group its only a small % but all have a TV, cell or FM radio unless you're really off the grid. The current stand alone warning radios can even be set for your local county or selected areas so you don't get overly alerted to a storm outside your chosen areas.

    So, if you are serious about warning all not just those prepared for the alert what ever it is: Wx, missing child, natural disaster, local Bio / chem hazard (like a train wreck or worst).

    The system needs to be simple. Too many people still can't even figure how to set the time on VCRs or remember to put a new battery in a fire/smoke alarm.

    We, read Gov't, have mandated Closed Captioning, parental limits and similar functions in newer TV's why not a stand-by function that upon activation (via gov't and local authorities) that turns on the audio in TV, Radio, DVR w/ a voice warning. Don't care if it wakes the kids, that's the point.

    This was posted earlier to tune to your emergency service station. Even my old VCR and newer alarm clock gets a time signature, I think over air via PBS somehow :scratchin Can't similar technology be used to get the info out.

    For example, An older car radio I had while in Europe had an alert function when a traffic warning went out... only prob was the mmsg came out in German :lol:
     
  15. deltafowler

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    Again, we're straying from the initial point of the discussion.
    We're not talking about what people who want to be warned should do or shouldn't do.
    We're merely saying that the system that's already in place needs to be looked at in terms of effectiveness. If the EBS is still going to be utilized on broadcast television, then someone needs to seriously take a look at how many viewers will not receive the message, because they're watching time-shifted programming.

    That's all.
    Discussions about whether or not weather radios do a better job are not germane to this subject.
     
  16. Nick

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    My local Comcast 'broadcasts' EBS alerts in real time which are superimposed at the system level over any pre-recorded content and VOD, as well as being carried over all "live' cable channels.

    No one escapes! :eek:
     
  17. deltafowler

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    That's what we're talking about.
    Thanks for posting that information!
     
  18. kevinwmsn

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    I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't want my TV to turn on wake me during severe weather. I have been through hurricanes and some of them last forever(aka marathons). Next thing you know is that the Emergency broadcast will prempt PS3,Xbox,Wii, and Blu-Ray... As long as their is a way to opt in and opt out, I could be ok with it.
     
  19. deltafowler

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    We're not talking about the TV turning on or walking over and shaking you out of bed.
    We're merely saying that IF THE TV IS ON, then it should be able to communicate important public safety information to you. :rolleyes:
     
  20. djlong

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    I think the disconnect we're having with each other is that your position is "if the TV is on, people should be warned" - if I'm interpreting you correct.

    My "platform" is more like "if they're not watching live TV, how do you warn them?".

    In other words, we see the same situation - people not tuned to one of the systems we have in place - but we're approaching it from different points of view.

    I don't mean to sound snide - if this does I'm sorry - but to put things another way, why does your (justifiable) concern for the person watching a tape/DVD/whatever not extend to the person reading a book?

    I just think that if you're going to address the problem of people not tuned into the EBS signal, think about *all* of them, not just a subset. And THAT is where my thoughts about the radios came from - I have a couple of racing scanners that have a hot button for the frequencies.
     

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