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Epix to Directv?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by fkubick, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Feb 6, 2013 #321 of 423
    damondlt

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    And on and on it went, with Viacom’s PR team later “updating” the company blog saying, essentially, that it also offered DirecTV proposals that didn’t include Epix, and the satellite carrier passed on those, too.
     
  2. Feb 6, 2013 #322 of 423
    sigma1914

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    Do you read what I type? I said MAYBE...as in a possible or hypothetical reason.
     
  3. Feb 6, 2013 #323 of 423
    damondlt

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    If this doesn't say base packages then you better be more specific.

    Cause according to justin a'la carte doesn't cost directv any money.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2013 #324 of 423
    damondlt

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    :lol: Ok fair enough. Thats all you guys have is assumptions
     
  5. Feb 6, 2013 #325 of 423
    sigma1914

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    Who is you guys? Also, assumptions is all anyone has, including you & myself.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2013 #326 of 423
    Sandra

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    Well, there is that guy here who constantly posts his opinion as fact! :bang


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  7. Feb 6, 2013 #327 of 423
    damondlt

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    I am not assuming anything other I hope Directv add Epix.

    You are assuming EPIX brings increases in Basepacks and overall price.

    Hoosier is Assuming Directv doesn't want Epix because Directv sees no value in a premium movie channel without original series programming , even though its proven that PPV Movies and Premium movie channels are bringing in the most revenue they ever had . Up 20% from 2010.

    Justin just assumes what ever goes against me as fact to boost his friend ship with Hoosier.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2013 #328 of 423
    damondlt

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    Thank you!
     
  9. Feb 6, 2013 #329 of 423
    damondlt

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    I'm also assuming that the Buying power Directv acheives from its subs is paying a sweet dollar for all these current premiums and Seasonal sports packs.

    And Untill I see, those season subs in writing are covering those costs free and clear, I don't want to hear a peep about what it would cost for EPIX!


    I bet HBO Directv Contract is more then 500 million
     
  10. Feb 6, 2013 #330 of 423
    sigma1914

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    I didn't mean increases in base package subs... I'm saying if Epix was added to base packages like Choice and above, then DirecTV would have to pay more money.

    For example, let's assume 15 million DirecTV subs have Choice & above... And assume Epix wants in those 15 million subs and wants $2 per sub... That means DirecTV has to pay $30 million. Who's going to eat the cost? The millions who don't see Epix as a value.

    I'd also like to reiterate that I really want Epix & wish DirecTV would add it.
     
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    sigma1914

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    I thought you weren't assuming anything? ;)
     
  12. Feb 6, 2013 #332 of 423
    damondlt

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    I agree with that breakdown, But again we eat the cost everyday on options not all of us want.:)

    As much as a few claim we don't.:rolleyes:
     
  13. Feb 6, 2013 #333 of 423
    sigma1914

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    Absolutely correct.
     
  14. Feb 6, 2013 #334 of 423
    damondlt

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    I meant about Epix.:)

    The assuming I'm doing is based on others claims Epix is going to drive up the prices.

    Well then My assumption , it sould be the same for everything else, like Sports packs and the current premiums.

    Can't sit their and tell me that Epix is the only thing that would cause a burdon on customers wallets.
     
  15. Feb 6, 2013 #335 of 423
    Hoosier205

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    No one ever did. The premiums we do have bring a return on that investment due to their content. While other movie channels began to change their identity long ago, Epix chose to go back in time despite the odds. DirecTV said they didn't see the value of adding it in 2009. What exactly has changed since then? Not much beyond their failure to produce even a single one of their proposed original programs. If DirecTV didn't see the value in it then, and no value has been added since...why would they suddenly choose to add it now? Viacom all but begged them to take it last year and it still wasn't worth it.
     
  16. Feb 6, 2013 #336 of 423
    tonyd79

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    Well, let's see. DirecTV says half a billion dollars. If Epix costs $5 per sub (Fios charges $10 per sub standalone, I think others charge $7 standalone, but let's use $5 since $10 would be high and $7 is an odd number). That would mean 100,000,000 payments. If they mean half a billion per year, that is 8.2 million subs. Now, unless Epix is going to have an almost 40% penetration for a la carte subs with DirecTV (which is nuts), that means Epix HAS to be on something other than a la carte basis either because Epix demanded it or DirecTV saw no way that they could recoup half a billion on an a la carte basis.

    As for VALUE. I LIKE Epix. I pay for it with Fios. I WANT DirecTV to have it but, in THEIR business analysis, they do not see the value for their business. I can understand that and have to default to their analysis as they have data I do not have. Unlike you, I don't have to have everything proven to me. I actually believe that DirecTV knows its business and how to handle it. They are the company that kept growing through bad economic times.

    One of the traits of every other premium they carry (HBO is paired with Cinemax, Starz is paired with Encore) is that they carry original programming and it probably is a differentiator with customers and probably is what DirecTV sees as a difference.

    You do not. But you don't run the company. None of us do. But you are going out of your way to claim that everyone, including DirecTV is wrong. Based on absolutely nothing but your own desire to have Epix. Nothing.

    When others give you educated guesses based upon logic and what information we have, you just deny it all. Based on NOTHING.
     
  17. Feb 6, 2013 #337 of 423
    tonyd79

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    It depends on how it is packaged. NFL does not, despite your ASSUMPTION that it does. A la carte programming does not. RSNs do because they are bundled locally at least. Channels like ESPN do because they are bundled.

    There may be some loss leaders in the DirecTV business model but those loss leaders lead to other business, that is why they are loss leaders (and actually pay for themselves if positioned properly). DirecTV does not think Epix, which would have to go in bundled packages, driving costs ups, is such a loss leader.
     
  18. Feb 6, 2013 #338 of 423
    Justin23

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    I want to send you a PM to show why I am not "unqualified" to speak on the matter....clear some space so I can send it.
     
  19. Feb 6, 2013 #339 of 423
    lparsons21

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    Good explanation Tony!

    I think that the reason D* turned Viacom down on Epix was that Viacom overvalued the prospect. If they had said 'we are the new guy on the block so how about bringing us in as some sort of mini-premium or part of an extra pack at xx dollars per subscriber with no floor', D* might have gone for it. Would be a bit of a gamble on Viacom's part, but the cost to send it to D* has to be pretty minimal.
     
  20. Feb 6, 2013 #340 of 423
    damondlt

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    Who said Epix wasn't going to be A La carte.
    the 500 Million might have been a 5-10 year deal, not per year.
     

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