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Epix to Directv?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by fkubick, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Feb 4, 2013 #121 of 423
    damondlt

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    No I don't.
    I'm not the one running around claiming EPIX is bad cause it cost 19 million customers money, but the other premiums and subscription don't.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2013 #122 of 423
    Hoosier205

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    It's 20+ million customers.
     
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    Hoosier205

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    Not to mention all the new customers it brings in as well.

    (This is the post I meant to respond to, rather than the one about HBO.)
     
  4. Feb 4, 2013 #124 of 423
    Hoosier205

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    Go and listen to the calls or read the transcripts.
     
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    Justin23

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    Well you should...because it disproves your claim.

    All of those channels/packages you mention above are a la carte add-on's...which means the cost is absorbed by the customer since they are paying for that specific package or offering.

    What Epix is proposing (including it in base packages) would increase the cost for subs because D* would pay for everyone to have that channel, weather they wanted it or not.

    If Epix would be a Premium like HBO, Starz, etc that would be more likely to have D* agree to it.

    Epix should remove the base package carriage requirement, or drop that crazy $1-$1.50 per sub fee.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2013 #126 of 423
    Justin23

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    It would probably be closer to 15-16 million that subscribe to Choice package and above...
     
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    Hoosier205

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    Even then, I doubt it will happen. They've weakened their bargaining position with their streaming agreements.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2013 #128 of 423
    damondlt

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    Yep, it does, But these customers arn't paying for it so, again someone is.

    New customers were giving it for free. And why, so in hope they can add 1 million new , that 375,000 would stay as a paying ST subscriber. Thats the the Number that bloomberg published for Directv to break even in 2013 from NFL ST. So that you can look up yourself.

    And you and Just can do the math on that too!
     
  9. Feb 4, 2013 #129 of 423
    damondlt

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    Says who, Whats the average D* customer spend I know its higher then $77 per month
     
  10. Feb 4, 2013 #130 of 423
    Hoosier205

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    No, but enough of them are paying for it beyond the first year to make it worth the offer when combined with the amount they make off of the commercial accounts. Again, this is all discussed on their quarterly calls.
     
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    Justin23

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    Um, the customer spend doesn't matter. What I am talking about is where Epix has been rumored to want carriage, which is in Choice package or higher. Very few subs have Family or the new Entertainment packages.
     
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    damondlt

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    Rumored? Ok where?
     
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    damondlt

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    So what makes you think Epix customers wouldn't cover their cost?
     
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    lparsons21

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    You mean the streaming agreements similar to what Starz already has? Or the ones similar to what HBO is looking at doing?
     
  15. Feb 4, 2013 #135 of 423
    damondlt

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    ;) Yea this ought to be interesting.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2013 #136 of 423
    damondlt

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    You have no proof , nor are you sitting at the round table to even know what Epix is proposing to Directv.

    And A price sheet from Directv .com doesn't disprove anything.

    When I see a subscriber sheet, then we'll talk.;)
     
  17. Feb 4, 2013 #137 of 423
    damondlt

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    So you are claiming that since these are A,la,carte that the Networks only charge Directv per the amount of subscribers?


    HA HA HA Yea OK So if HBO only had 100 directv customers , By your theory
    HBO would only get $1800. NOPE !!!!!!

    Directv would Eat the cost and inflate your bill, Because Time Warner would say "F You" pay me.
     
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    Justin23

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    Justin23

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    "Prove it" !rolling
     
  20. Feb 4, 2013 #140 of 423
    Hoosier205

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    This isn't an effort to attack the fact that someone wants this channel. It's an attempt to be realistic about it's value and/or chances of being added.

    Epix programming has three components:

    • Movies
    • Comedy/Concert Specials
    • Sports
    Moves:
    These are no longer the bread and butter of premiums. Their value has diminished substantially. ​
    Comedy/Concert Specials:
    These are intermittent and not necessarily major events. ​
    Sports:
    Boxing. Let's face it, simply due to the history of other networks...Epix isn't going to get the best fights. Bellator. Bellator is very nearly non-existent these days. It was overshadowed by both UFC and Strikeforce.

    They suffer from a few issues:

    • They expected traditional providers to agree to the same rate and terms even after they had partnered with streaming providers.
    • They've have attempted to, for the most part, be a primarily movie centric premium even though their time has passed.
    They have to be worth carrying for the providers that haven't agreed to terms with them and so far...they haven't been. The created a movie premium when there wasn't even a need or want for one.
     

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