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eSATA capacity questions

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Rich, Nov 30, 2008.

  1. russdog

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    It gets faster but not as fast as it used to be. Maybe 4 or 5 sec from button-push to list-display.
     
  2. Richierich

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    As I stated before to you Rich, the HR10-250 had this exact problem (I posted the documentation about this) and then they reorganized and restructured the database to prevent this from happening or to alleviate it as much as possible.

    I believe it has to do with the database's structure and how many entries it has to access to find what it wants or needs but I am not a PC Guru by any means but I had the same problem on my HR10-250s and one got updated and the other one didn't. The one that did is definitely faster than the other one.

    Whe Directv didn't learn from this Tivo experience is a mystery to me but I believe that this is the same situation where the processor and the database structure need to be optimized as in a Faster Processor and a better database structure for handling A/V data.
     
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    Hi Rich


    Ok now at 23% free space. Some slow ups when going to the recorded list and menus. But not too bad, no worse then some of the CE's I have tested. How far do you want I take this before I start to delete some stuff?? I was thinking about 10%.

    FA-X 1.5tb connected to HR21-700
     
  4. Jan 1, 2009 #264 of 579
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    Hi guys, I have a question concerning external e-Sata's on HR20-700.

    I have 3 HR20-700s, and on 2 of them, I have 750 gb e-Sata drives.

    I am thinking of getting a new 1.5 TB e-Sata [recommendations welcome :)] to put on the main DVR in the family room, and move the 750 gB to the 3rd unit where there is no e-Sata connected now. My question is [and I think I know the answer] can I just move this e-Sata to the 3rd unit and expect it to read the recordings already on it? Or is there a DRM issue that this drive has to be coupled to the unit that made the recordings?

    I remember when I first installed these, there was a DRM issue, but haven't been following closely this past year so I don't know if anything has changed?

    Thanks for any assistance & Happy New Year!

    Cheers,
    John
     
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    Richierich

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    You can not view recordings on one drive on another DVR because it writes the serial number of the DVR on the recordings and verifies that serial number on the recordings with the one of the chip inside the DVR.

    You will have to reformat and use it as a new drive.
     
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    Rich

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    That finally dawned on me last night. Figured it out all by myself, I did, I did. :lol:

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    Rich

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    I gotta tell you, VOS's comparison of the HRs to a calculator and t_e's comparison of the HRs to a 2002 computer have really upset me. But, both those comparisons explain a lot of things to me. And now you've made the above comments (I was planning on asking you about your HR10 today) and, yeah, why didn't D* learn from TiVo? That can't possibly be a patent infringement. Once again the consumer gets screwed.

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  8. Jan 1, 2009 #268 of 579
    Rich

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    I'm planning on taking my 2TB all the way to full and letting unsaved programs drop off. First lockup I get I will stop and delete some stuff and if you could follow suit, that would be a good test of the 21+X combo. But if you start getting lockups (where you actually have to reboot), delete some programming immediately, don't take a chance on losing the HR.

    I'm at 29% on the 2TB+20-700 combo and still experiencing no slowdowns. I just went to the "Reset" menu and restarted the HR based on VeryOldSchool's thoughts on refreshing the data base. You might try that and see if it speeds up the HRs response time.

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    Rich

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    I am trying a Seagate Xtreme 1.5TB eSATA with a 20-700. Only hooked it up Tuesday, but it is running properly. I did have problems with the same eSATA on a 21-700 and disconnected it after a week, but the 21-700 is one I play with and not all that stable. Beast has an Xtreme 1.5 on a 21-700 and it is running properly.

    You're fortunate to have the 20-700s, I think they are the most stable of the HRs. I would expect the Xtremes to work with the 20-700s.

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    Thanks for the answer. Now I will go to 'Plan B' and just move the entire DVR with e-Sata upstairs, and take the one from upstairs w/o e-Sata, and add a new 1.5 TB to this one. Any recommendations on what to buy?

    BTW, I seem to remember something about 'multi-room viewing' last year. Any news on that?
     
  11. Jan 1, 2009 #271 of 579
    Rich

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    I gave your post some thought last night. The simplest way to look at hooking up an eSATA is this: Unplug both the eSATA and the HR. Put the jumper cable between the HR and the eSATA. Plug in the eSATA and then plug in the HR. The Xtremes should work with the 20-700s, I just hooked up an X to one of my 20-700s Tuesday and have experienced no problems so far and don't really expect to.

    If you follow the simple instructions above and still have trouble, it might be the SIIG cable, altho I don't recall anybody posting about a problem with one of the SIIG jumper cables, but you never can tell. If it is not that, it might well be the eSATA port on the HR or the eSATA itself. If you have another 20-700 try that and see if you go thru the same thing. That will eliminate the HR as the problem if that setup works correctly. If that doesn't work, call Seagate and get them to send a replacement for the X. They come with a 5 year warranty. If you hook that up and still experience the same problem and haven't changed HRs and eliminated them, it must be the HR.

    Stay with us and let us know what you find out. The Seagate's are a better eSATA than the Cavs. Don't give up on them.

    Rich


     
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    Rich

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    See my last post addressed to you. MRV is still in the future.

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    Yeah, saw your post after I posted...sorry bout that :)

    I see it at Amazon for ~$205 w/free shipping. And I think I read somewhere that it does NOT come with esata cable, so I will have to buy cable separate?

    Thanks for the help.
     
  14. Jan 2, 2009 #274 of 579
    Rich

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    Yup. And this is where it gets sticky. As with everything else concerning the HRs, the eSATA jumpers are "different" in that they don't work with every eSATA or HR. Your best bet is to go to NewEgg and get a SIIG type II eSATA to eSATA jumper cable. I have only read one post where the SIIG cable "might" not work, so I feel pretty safe recommending that. Even the Cavalry eSATAs, which come with a jumper, don't work with another Cav model's jumper. Sometimes.

    I've only read one post, as I said, where the problem might be the SIIG cable, and I think any SIIG eSATA to eSATA cable will probably work.

    Make sure the site you're buying the X from has a decent return policy. All the Seagate warranty will do is replace the X. And if the X doesn't work with your HR, you'll be stuck with it. And remember, we have NOT reached a conclusion on whether the X will work with every model HR. Mine still looks good and "feels" right.

    Rich
     
  15. Jan 2, 2009 #275 of 579
    veryoldschool

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    By "jumper" do you mean the cable?
    Is there any difference between SATA I & SATA II cables?
    There is a difference between SATA & eSATA connectors as shown here: http://www.satacables.com/html/sata_external_cables.html
     
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    I believe that you have to have a SATA External Cable Shielded eSATA to SATA (Type “I”) to (Type “L”) Connector. The ends are different as in the Type "I" and Type "L".
     
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    "Right" the connectors are different, but the "cable" is the same. Maybe with long lengths, "what cable" matters, but there doesn't seem to be a SATA II verses SATA I cable, so it should be "just the connectors" from SATA to eSATA that matter.
     
  19. Jan 2, 2009 #279 of 579
    Rich

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    Yes the eSATA to eSATA jumper cable that connects the HR to the eSATA. I know there is a difference with the SATA to eSATA cables. These things are a PITA. Wouldn't you think a jumper cable would be a jumper cable? And yet, even with the Cav eSATAs which come with the jumper cable some jumpers from one model Cav won't work with other model Cavs.

    The electrical industry has standards that MUST be met. Where are the standards for the broadband industry? Seems as if there aren't any.

    Shocking! :lol:

    Rich
     
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