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eSATA - DIRECTV recommended list

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Jun 4, 2012 #2081 of 3515
    skoolpsyk

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    I also have a 24-700, but moved it outside into the "playroom" and moved the 21-100 into the house, that's why I added the extra storage.

    the reason for this change was that I have the dvr in my den with a hdmi splitter that feeds the living room and the bedroom. I have two rf remotes to control it from each room. it's my cheap-a** solution to a whole home dvr or two separate boxes. it actually works really well, BUT only with the 21-100. why? because that rear mounted rf antenna works much much better than the internal ones...

    yeah, I'm crazy I know it!
     
  2. Jun 4, 2012 #2082 of 3515
    Rich

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    Never seen any good things posted about HDMI switches. That might be the problem. Especially if that switch doesn't have a power cord on it.

    Rich
     
  3. Jun 4, 2012 #2083 of 3515
    skoolpsyk

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    Here's a good thing.
    I've been using a Monoprice 5:1 switch for years and have had nothing but good results with it. My AVR only has two HDMI inputs so this switch has been a real asset and has saved me from having to upgrade my receiver.
     
  5. Jun 5, 2012 #2085 of 3515
    Rich

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    The HDMI switches work well with most devices, but the HRs have problems with them. I'd try disconnecting it and see if the stuttering stops. Something must be causing it.

    Rich
     
  6. Jun 5, 2012 #2086 of 3515
    RunnerFL

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    Switches? Hmmm, I thought this thread was about eSATA devices compatible with the HR line of DVRs. I must have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque, or the thread did.

    :D
     
  7. Jun 5, 2012 #2087 of 3515
    Rich

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    I gave up on them and just bought new AVRs.

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  8. Jun 5, 2012 #2088 of 3515
    Rich

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    Read that title again. If we go by that title, we'd be discussing nothing but the WD eSATA. If we were really nitpicking, D* doesn't "recommend" any external devices, it only "suggests".

    Rich
     
  9. Jun 5, 2012 #2089 of 3515
    RunnerFL

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    I'm not sure what title you're reading but nowhere does it mention WD drives. The title is "eSATA - DIRECTV recommended list". And it definitely doesn't say anything about HDMI switches.
     
  10. Jun 5, 2012 #2090 of 3515
    Rich

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    I really don't want to argue. Originally, the WD device and a Seagate device were suggested by D*, as I'm sure you remember. I called Seagate immediately upon reading that and I think the Seagates got pulled from the suggestion. Seagate told me that they never authorized it or had any HDDs that were made specifically for DVRs at that time.

    Yes, I know as well as you do that this isn't a thread about HDMI switches, but does it really hurt to help someone who's having a problem and asks for help?

    Rich
     
  11. Jun 5, 2012 #2091 of 3515
    dhempy

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    Good Day Forum Users:

    I haven't read _EVERYTHING_ but have read enough I think ... I just ordered a WD 2TB drive (WD20EARX) and opted to go with the Thermaltake Max 4 Active Cooling Enclosure for my theater. I needed an enclosure I could lay down in the rack system and I just didn't think that the BlacX would be the right choice. Plus extra cooling never hurts. I will post on my success or lack thereof once the hardware shows up.

    DTV just replaced an older DVR that failed with an HR24-200. I am going to call them and attempt to upgrade everything else replacing an _OLD_ TIVO (non HD) with another HR24 AND then get the whole house DVR.

    Do I understand correctly that all external HDs are accessible from any device for playback? So with 2 HR24s and a whole house DVR ... I could potentially have 6tb online at once? And if I get BlacX for my other enclusures, i COULD swap out drives as long as they are connected to the same device?

    Did I see some discussion on backing these things up? What is the latest thinking on the subject?

    Also, anyone using longer eSATA cables (6 feet or more)? Issues / comments?

    Regards:

    Dan
     
  12. Jun 6, 2012 #2092 of 3515
    skoolpsyk

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    I apologize. They were helping troubleshoot what I believed to be my eSATA drive in the eSATA thread.

    Rich, I really appreciate (and I'm sure others here do too) all the time you've spent helping us.

    Things seem to be working well now (knock on wood) so I'll bow out for now. I don't want to cause any more complaints. Thanks again.
     
  13. Jun 7, 2012 #2093 of 3515
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    Haven't heard much about the TT enclosure, please be sure to tell us how you like it.

    Good choices.

    Yup, you're right. I've got over 20TBs of storage capacity on my MRV and it runs very well.

    Yup, but don't try to "hot swap" them. Pull the plug on both the HR and the docking station and then go thru the proper procedure to boot up again.

    That's why I've got all that capacity. Simply put, altho the HRs are much more reliable and stable than they've ever been, I still have a fear of one failing and the loss of its recordings. Something I'll probably never get over. I back up everything I record several times and haven't missed a program in a long time.

    We haven't seen many posts about that. You shouldn't need one longer than 6 feet.

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  14. Jun 7, 2012 #2094 of 3515
    Rich

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    No need to apologize, you did nothing wrong. Wasn't your fault the way the thread evolved.

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  15. Jun 7, 2012 #2095 of 3515
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    I've been using that Thermaltake Max 4 Active Cooling Enclosure with a Samsung EcoGreen 1TB hard drive hooked to an HR21 for just over three years. It actually failed shortly after I got it; Thermaltake immediately replaced it without a problem, and it has worked perfectly ever since. No compatibility issues.

    By the way, for even longer I used a Rosewill RX-358 enclosure with a WD Green 1TB drive on an HR20 until it was replaced with a new HR34 last week. That combo also worked flawlessly.

    In both instances I was looking for an enclosure with a built in fan, and three years ago the choice was even more limited than it is today. There's probably nothing better you can do to prolong the life of these disks than to cool them.

    As an aside, has anyone with that Rosewill enclosure replaced the fan, and if so, can you tell me what fan you used? The one drawback to the Rosewill is that it's a little bit noisy.
     
  16. Jun 7, 2012 #2096 of 3515
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    I sometimes see stuttering. I suspect it's caused by recoverable drive errors. When a drive gets an I/O error the I/O will be retried some number of times. Probably both in the drive firmware and in the O/S. (The drive should also be able to map out bad sectors and remap the I/O to reserved sectors.)

    My CalDigit VR has a software setting for "Turbo" mode which they claim is for video editing, etc. I suspect this limits recovery attempts/time. Given that I'm in the summer programming lull I should take this opportunity to turn Turbo on...

    BTW, this limiting of firmware recovery attempts/time is one, if the not the only, key differentiator between drives intended for DVRs and others.

    Of course stuttering caused by this would all be mute if they put in more RAM for buffering...
     
  17. Jun 7, 2012 #2097 of 3515
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    Then SMART table would register the remappings; it wouldn't left unnoticed there.

    Seems to me it's different reason for the stuttering - perhaps interrupting CPU with other prioritive tasks for extended amount of time.
     
  18. Jun 7, 2012 #2098 of 3515
    dhempy

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    Thanks for the replies Rich and Zon2020.

    I am awaiting the arrival of the enclosure and HD ... will post up about my experience.

    FYI, the reason I might need 6' cables has to do with the full Middle Atlantic rack and the lack of space in my cabinets ... there is room in the cabinet next door but I need a cable long enough to reach. The rack is pull out as well which adds to the need for length.

    Rich: I'm confused though on how you have backups (and impressed that you have 20TB!). So do you record the same shows on multiple devices as backup or something else? Now that I think about it, it seems to me that backing up on different drives from the same DVR wouldn't help because once the DVR goes south, you lose everything ... so you'd have to backup across multiple devices. This was originally what I was thinking ... just backing up the drive itself (until I read your note, I hadn't considered losing a device ... something else to worry about!).

    Dan

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  19. Jun 8, 2012 #2099 of 3515
    Rich

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    You're welcome. I don't think we've ever had anyone use more than a six foot eSATA to eSATA jumper cable and even that's pretty rare. Try monoprice.com and see what they have. If they have longer cables or couplings for the jumper cables, buy one and try it, I'd be interested to know how it works. If I had to guess, I'd say a twelve foot jumper cable would work, but until someone actually tries one I can't say for sure.

    There's a story behind the number of HRs needed to maintain that capacity that illustrates how luck and I get along....:lol:

    Actually, there's not enough content on D* that we are interested in to fully use each HR as a single platform. We back up each show we really want to see several times. I have over 100 episodes of Person of Interest on my MRV right now and I've never seen the show. Probably at least five copies of each episode. Takes the odds of missing a show because of failure of equipment down to about 0. Then, during baseball season, I record two showings of each Yankees game on an HR on different clouds. All six hour recordings.

    Not really that much to worry about these days. It's been a long time since I had an HR or an HDD fail. But the 34 is another story. I will get one eventually, when I think most of the bugs are cleared up. You're right about the possibility of the 34 failing and losing all your recordings, I don't think I'd use the 34 any differently than I do my other 12 HRs, I do know I'd put a 2TB external on it immediately, 1TB is just too small and would be quickly filled up the way I use HRs.

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  20. Jun 8, 2012 #2100 of 3515
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    I don't think this is a common occurrence with the HRs and their HDDs. I've only seen it once and it was because of a bad DECA module, changed the module and I've never seen it again.

    Rich
     

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