eSATA - DIRECTV recommended list

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. JW0914

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    I personally would simply swap the internal drive with the external.
    • If you have a Genie, there's 5 snap clips that hold the plastic case to the metal chassis, of which are accessible with a pick tool or small flat head screwdriver [two on each side & one in the middle].
    As to "syncing", I believe you could simply perform the steps in the first post in this thread to copy the data from the internal drive onto the external, however someone else would need to verify.
    • My line of thinking is since the recordings are stored with a long hexadecimal string for the filename, it's highly unlikely the small number of recordings on the internal drive would match any of the file names currently saved to the external; thus the chance of information being overwritten on the external should be extremely minute.
    • With that being said, I would recommend waiting for a more experienced user than I to verify whether or not my assumption is correct prior to doing so.
    As @RunnerFL said, eSATA cables are quite fragile and more susceptible to data corruption in transit
    • I've had 3 MonoPrice eSATA cables, as well as a few other manufacturers, fail over the past 3 years, which I've narrowed down to either the power center and all 12 power cables that run within a few inches of the eSATA cable, or the way in which the cable was managed behind the entertainment center (this one of the reasons I swapped my internal drive with the external).

    @RunnerFL, since eSATA ports and USB ports are cross compatible with the other, does that hold the same in regards to eSATA cables and USB cables (i.e. instead of using an eSATA cable, use a USB cable with two A Type connectors)?
     
  2. RunnerFL

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    On what planet are they cross compatible? eSATA and USB are completely different.
     
  3. JW0914

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    You can use an eSATA port for USB and a USB port for eSATA... the port itself is cross compatible.
     
  4. Rich

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    So, Pete referenced my post to reply to you? I couldn't figure out what he meant... :nono2:

    Rich
     
  5. RunnerFL

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    First I've ever heard of that... I wouldn't trust it if it's possible.
     
  6. RunnerFL

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    Yeah, took me a couple of times reading it to figure that out.
     
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  7. JW0914

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    It's been possible for years (at least a decade).

    All consumer routers use their USB 2 port for eSATA/USB2, most, if not all, [Windows] laptops and PCs support it... you're obviously typing on some form of a device, so if it's not a phone or tablet, you could easily verify this.
    • However, to say that because you've never heard of it, and therefore don't trust it, is simply ignorant... not to even mention you're taking your own "opinion" over what the facts are, making the former even worse.
    • Additionally, you clearly have access to the internet, so wouldn't it make more sense to use google to fact check your opinion before posting?
    • There's two types of eSATA ports, regular eSATA [5v only] and eSATAp [5v & 12v], with the latter being keyed differently than regular eSATA, however both will accept a USB A Type connector, and both will recognize whatever device is connected via USB (whether a HDD, mouse, keyboard, or any other peripheral).
    • The eSATA port is routed to different hardware than USB ports on the PCB (at least on some, if not all, MBs - my old AW M18x routed the eSATA port through the mini PCIe controller), which is a huge advantage on laptops/PCs manufactured with BIOS motherboards since you could blind flash the BIOS via a flash drive in the eSATA port if the system didn't POST, say from bad OC values (Alienware PCs/Laptops with BIOS MBs had this functionality for instance)
    • My purpose in asking about a double ended A Type USB cable is I can use one to connect my external case's eSATA port to my PC's USB port, however, I've never tried it with a DirecTV box. I figured since most of the participants in this thread are veteran members, perhaps one of you guys may have come across someone that's tried it before and whether or not any issues arose from it.
      ​My line of thought was if there are no issues that arise from using it, @top_speed could simply utilize that in lieu of the more fragile eSATA cables in their motorcoach
     
  8. RunnerFL

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    The USB port on a DirecTV box cannot be used for an external drive, period, no matter what adapters you may or may not have.
     
  9. JW0914

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    Seriously, does anyone read posts fully prior to replying?

    I never said anything about the USB port on the DirecTV box. Is it really that difficult to read, as this is the third time you've replied to one of my posts in the last several weeks without fully reading what I wrote. Either read and then reply, or don't reply at all.
     
  10. RunnerFL

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    "My purpose in asking about a double ended A Type USB cable is I can use one to connect my external case's eSATA port to my PC's USB port, however, I've never tried it with a DirecTV box. I figured since most of the participants in this thread are veteran members, perhaps one of you guys may have come across someone that's tried it before and whether or not any issues arose from it. "

    The answer is NO. What part of that do you not get? The N or the O? Maybe you should take your own advice and read before replying.
     
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    inkahauts

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    Yeah and just in case he means using a USB cord to connect two esata ports I don't think that will work because I don't believe the genie would ever be able to identify properly. I don't think it's setup for USB cords plugged into the esata port. They only carry firmware for exactly what is needed and USB isn't needed or wanted by them via the esata port.
     
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    JW0914

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    Clearly it's too high of an expectation to expect users to read, or use Google for that matter.

    eSATA and USB ports are cross compatible with the other and have been for at least a decade... again, don't take my word for it, google it. While a DirecTV receiver may not support it, of which no one has tested therefore a definitive answer is not known, 99% of devices do (again, don't take my word for it, google it, or since you have devices with eSATA ports, try it).

    Your reply is even more asinine considering what I stated was in the post you just replied to. Clearly this forum is either filled by children unable to read, or adults who refuse... not sure which is worse at this point

    Any person who chooses to believe their opinions over facts that have been presented to them with evidence is an imbecile... it's really that simple. Opinions facts and facts opinions
     
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    JW0914

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    I don't understand asinine... You have no clue whether or not it would work, and you're an idiot for stating it wouldn't considering not only what you've stated, and I'll quote to show the imbecilic idiocy, you clearly haven't tested to determine if it would or would not work on a DirecTV receiver:
    Asinine...
     
  14. Dec 1, 2016 #3394 of 3597
    P Smith

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    The newbie person willingly mixed DTV DVR's forum with PC forum, where some motherboards has such combo ports CONNECTOR !
    It's just two different set of contacts in one housing ! Not "cross compatible" !

    Like the MSI company eSATAp connector:
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    Wiki article is here
    Pinout is here
     
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    inkahauts

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    Excuse me? While you may think no one has ever tried it you'd be wrong. I did once ages ago and it didn't work. I don't believe dtv would ever support that either for a variety of reasons. I didn't know I had to state that in order for you to read my post without thinking I don't know what I'm talking about.

    And Of course I know they are physically cross compatible. I never once questioned that. And yes most computers have no issues with that. I never doubted that either. But DIRECTV is just different in how it operates and what they support than a computer. They have a ridiculously small space for receiver firmware and they only put exactly what drivers are needed for that specific model from that spiecific manuafcturer. That's right, two models of from different manufacturers can have some different firmware. There was discussion about that years ago and confirmed years ago. And they aren't going to waste space supporting something like that, heck technically the esata port isn't even supported but the drivers are already there since it's sata.

    And I tested it ages ago when for a very short period of time dtv had actually activated the USB port and you could connect a hard drive to it. That last a couple weeks then went away and was never actually even mentioned by them in the testing. Someone just found it and I played with it many different ways and tried the drive on the esata port I tested it with after the USB port stopped working.

    No matter how you shake it while your question was fine there is no way to have anything USB involved in making a hard drive work with a dtv box at this time. And it seems you don't think we understand the exact form of what you want to try and we are saying it just doesn't matter. Hopefully you'll realize we do understand and we know what we are saying when we say it does not work with dtv.
     
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    RunnerFL

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    I won't work... eSATA = 7 pin, USB = 4 pin. In no way are they cross compatible.
     
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    RunnerFL

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    You assume no one has tested it. You know what happens when you assume, right?

    The USB port on a Genie can NOT be used to add an external hard drive, period.
     
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    RunnerFL

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    Cool, personal attacks....

    Another one for the ignore list.
     
  19. Dec 2, 2016 #3399 of 3597
    P Smith

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    well, it's very thin edge
    - IF the motherboard employ the _duo_ connector: eSATAp/USB
    - you can use only one kind, not both
    - the"cross compatibility" is not SATA/USB protocol's interchangeability ! You MUST use one of proper cabling and one port's type, just ONE !
     
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    SubSolar

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    Just upgraded to a HR54-500. I plugged in my esata hard drive to it they I had on my old DVR (I think HR34), but it didn't format. Shows the shows I had previously recorded but won't play. I'm guessing I need to hook it up to a PC and format or delete partitions and then when I plug it back to the HR54 it will format it correctly? Do I need to format it on the PC in a particular file system or should I just delete all the partitions?
     

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