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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Jan 8, 2011 #1001 of 3500
    Rich

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    We really haven't been using either model long enough to give you a definite answer. The EADS is not made specifically for DVRs and the EVDS is. I've been using the EADS longer than the EVDS and really see no difference in performance except operating temps. The EADS used internally drops my operating temps to about 118 degrees. 123-126 degrees is normal and the EVDS keeps the 20-700s at about that range.

    We've seen reports of failures in both models. If I was gonna buy one today, I'd probably go with the EADS. I like that lowered temperature. Another member recently posted about the EURS WD drives. They are made for DVRs too. I haven't tried one, but he liked his. Don't know how much they cost.

    Hope this helps, either way you go you will be happy with the performance of the EADS or EVDS. Stay away from the Seagates. The FAN uses Hitachi drives and likes them, but I don't know what model he uses.

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    Thank you so much for your quick response. Information very much appreciated and understood and except for one detail.

    Are you saying that the internal temperature of your D* box is influenced by your choice of which version of drive (EADS or EVDS) that you connect externally? If so, I’m at a loss to understand how that’s possible. You have any idea?
     
  4. Jan 8, 2011 #1004 of 3500
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    I thought you were putting the drive/s in in place of your present internal drives. Sorry.

    In an external device, if I remember correctly, you have to use the jumper on the HDD when using an EADS externally with a 20-700, internally too, I think. Doesn't hurt to put them on. You don't need the jumpers on the EVDS.

    And yes, I think I do remember the temp dropping when I used an EADS externally on one of my leased 20-700s. Not sure, was a while ago.

    But again, you'll be pleased with either the EADS or the EVDS. What kind of external device do you use?

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  5. Jan 8, 2011 #1005 of 3500
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    Interesting. How difficult is it to change out the internal drive in a HR20-700? Somehow I got the impression that it was difficult (meaning special parts or tools). I think it was from reading on the Weakness site. If it's not that difficult that might be the way to go.

    Presently I use the Antec MX-1 external boxes, but the cabling and a good location for the extra box is always an issue. It’s just messy and less reliable. Internal sounds very interesting.

    Is there any link for information for directions, or is it just obvious when I open the box? By the way, I’m familiar with this type of thing… “not my first rodeo”. So I’m not concerned it the procedure is reasonable.

    Thanks again for the advice and help.
     
  6. Jan 8, 2011 #1006 of 3500
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    Update... I was going to order one each of the EADS and EVDS drives and run my own tests. I checked out prices and it looks like Amazon has the best prices that I could find. Looking over the user Amazon feedback for each, it looks like a lot of people have had reliability issues with the EADS drives and much better luck with the EVDS drives. Since the EVDS is designed for video streaming anyway, I decided to purchase one of these to start and do my own tests. I may try it externally first and internally second. I'll be looking at usage and compatibility along with internal temperature of the D* box for each case. If I learn anything new, I'll definitely post it here.

    Again, if you have any hints to offer for directions for the internal drive installation, that would be much appreciated.

    Thanks again for the help.
     
  7. Jan 8, 2011 #1007 of 3500
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    There is a thread about it. Don't remember it's name. You might do a search for it. It's not hard to do.


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  8. Jan 9, 2011 #1008 of 3500
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    EADS is an older model, I thought that WD was phasing them out, but it appears they are still available. When the EVDS drives came out, stating specifically meant for DVR/PVR use, many of us started buying them. They both work well, and I have not found any temp differences in my own experiences. I have an 2TB EVDS in an MX-1 hooked to my HR20, and a 1.5TB EADS in a TT enclosure hooked to an HR22, both work flawlessly.

    Hopefully that helps you make a decision...Bottom line, it probably doesnt matter. They both have proven very reliable by many many people that frequent these forums.
     
  9. Rich

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    We really have to remember to mention that the EADS HDDs need jumpers on the HDDs and the EVDS (and I would think the new EURS) don't need them. Aside from that, there doesn't seem to be much difference in performance. The temp drop that I've seen when using the EADS internally is something that you might not see using external devices. Don't really remember. I do know the temp drop is definitely there when using them internally.

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  10. droopdog7

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    Noe that my kids have gotten old and wise enough to start recording their cartoons on the main DVR, I see that our HD space is woefully inadequate. I am not sure of the model we have but it is either the first or second generation HD DVR from Directv. As they don't publish HD space I am not sure what it is but I believe it is in the neighborhood of 350 GB?

    Anyway, I have been think of connecting an external HD up to 2TB. I know the basics. An external HD replaces the internal HD as long as it is connected. The external will not work once unplugged on any other device. I also believe that if you unplug the external HD and revert to the internal drive, you can recapture the recordings on the internal HD?

    Is there anything else I should know about connecting an external HD? Do external HD's come with a fan? Should I worry about an external HD overheating if I put it inside a cabinet? Can I place the external HD on top of the DVR itself since it is no longer using the internal HD?

    Should I expect any external HD to be as reliable as the internal HD? Or do I need to be really picky?

    Thanks.
     
  11. hasan

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    Get the EVDS drives, as they are designed for DVR use. I use the 2 TB model, which was recommended to me by Rich584, with a Thermaltake dock. I love the drive and dock. Got them from Amazon.

    Some drives don't work, so you need to buy one that is known to work, and preferably one that the group here has experience with and recommends. That is why I bought the combo I now have.

    I like the evds drive and Thermaltake Dock for several reasons:

    0. It is quiet ...no chattering, buzzing or chirping here.
    1. Plug and play, there is no simpler installation.
    2. Plays cool, without a fan, as the drive is exposed to the open air.
    3. Seems to work perfectly for all HR models.

    ...and most importantly, there are quite a few (probably at least 10) of us that are using this combination successfully on a variety of HR boxes, and are very, very pleased with this setup.

    The 2 TB model was around $130, and the dock was $37 or so. Worth every penny. (I'm using it on an HR20-700 and getting well over 500 hours of mpeg-4 HD recording with it. (by calculation). I have yet to get it more than 18% full...it has a LOT of space). I'm sure prices are lower by now, depending on where you buy.

    If you have more specific questions about using the EVDS with an enclosure without a dock, then hopefully rich584 will chime in.:)
     
  12. Rich

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    You pretty much covered his questions. One thing we should mention is that I don't consider any external device to be as reliable as an HDD installed as an internal drive. Using a large HDD as an internal is so much easier for the HRs to cope with, I think.

    For some reason, my TT and the 24-500 it is on disconnected from each other this morning. Wasn't because of a reboot, I keep the front panel dimmed and when I noticed that the pink LED wasn't flashing on the TT, I turned the 500 on and the front panel wasn't lit up, so I know there was not a reboot. Don't have any idea what caused it, but I'm sure happy that TT thought to put that little pink LED in it's docking stations. I own the 500 and I was getting ready to put the 2TB inside the box, but now I'll have to wait and see if it happens again. Just can't figure out what happened. Both the TT and the HR are on UPS. Puzzling.

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  13. droopdog7

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    Thanks Hasan (and Rich). A quick search revealed to me that evds is part of the model name on some Western Digital hard drives. Is this what I am looking for and are we talking strictly Western Digital hard drives? Second, you mentioned a docking station. What exactly is that used for and can HD and docking station be bought together. Finally, you mention that you don't worry about overheating because your HD is in the open. I would prefer to tuck mine away in a cabinet so I am wondering if that could be an issue.

    And another finally. I notice many of the pictures show the HD on its side. Would there be a problem if I layed it down flat?

    Thanks again.
     
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    You're probably better off with what we know will work. Right now, I know the EADS and EVDS from WD will work with any HR. The WD EURS has just come out and it is also designed for DVRs. I haven't tried one yet, but I will this summer and also intend to give the Hitachi a shot.

    You can't lay a docking station flat. You can lay an Antec MX-1 flat and we know that they are reliable enclosures and will work with every HR. Don't worry about the heat with either external device, unless you put it in a cabinet without any ventilation. Nobody does that, I hope.

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    Has anybody tried one of these drives yet?

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  18. CCarncross

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    Most of us here are pretty confident that 3TB drives are not usable due to OS kernel limitations....there is a recent thread somewhere about someone not getting a 3TB to work.

    A gentle reminder, if you're filling 2TB drives up to the point you need larger drives, when are you ever going to get around to watching that 400-500 hours of programming? It is a live drive, it will eventually fail, it is not designed as a permanent archive solution...when you get to the point of a few hundred hours of programming, you have to consider when do you replace the drive, obviously you need to do it b4 catastrophic failure.

    I came to this realization a few months ago and started looking at some of the programming I had saved up, 2 seasons of Medium, the entire final season of 24, etc....and I said to myself, "Self, when am I going to watch all this." I replied "probably never, if I really want to see it I'll get it on Netflix"
     
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    CCarncross, I agree with you to some extent but I have & DVRs with 13,000 Gigabytes of Storage and 3 DVRs back up the other 4 DVRs as a kind of Archival System or Back Up System.

    So when one of my hard drive fail I can find that show or recording on another.

    However, I wish I could just back them up on USB External Drives so when they fail I could replace the drive and then download them back to the new drive.

    Maybe someday we will be able to do that but that is the way a few of us accomplish the Back Up Plan.

    I agree with you that we record too much stuff that we think we will want to watch later and never do because we are constantly recording new stuff or it's embedded in pages and pages of the Playlist but if I need to I can find stuff recorded long ago that maybe once a year I will go back and watch.

    However, you just don't have time and when I don't after a while I perform maintenance procedures and delete those recordings.

    Just a thought.
     
  20. Rich

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    Before you guys drive yourselves batty trying to use 3TB HDDs, you might take a good look at CCarncross's and Richierich's posts on this thread. They've both been at this for some time.

    The only reason I use 2TB HDDs is because I think that the HDDs won't get filled up. The HRs just seem to run better with a partly filled HDD either in it or, more importantly, used as an external. The load you put on any HR with any size HDD that is full is very apparent when you reach over 70% full. Not as apparent on the internal HDDs, but very apparent on the externals.

    Recording content is not just about the capacity of your HDDs, it's actually easier to maintain and keep a great deal of content if you have numerous tuners, which means you need more than one HR. Having only one HR and a huge HDD (and believe me, 2TBs of content is huge) that is full is a recipe for disaster if the HR fails or the HDD fails (admittedly that is rare).

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