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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Mar 3, 2011 #1121 of 3467
    Rich

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    In my case, the only time I've ever heard that sound is on a 24 with an EVDS HDD. Heard it on two 24-500s and a 24-200. I've never heard that particular sound on any of my other HRs with EVDS HDDs. The sound has been gone for a while and I still have absolutely no idea what caused it, but I'm sure the EVDS drives were not at fault. Something in an NR must have caused the 24s to start grumbling. It's not that terrible "seeking" sound, it's more substantial than that. I could actually see the Thermaltake docking station moving slightly with each grumble. Switched TTs and the same thing happened. Wasn't the docking station. Had one EVDS in a 24-500 and it grumbled the same way. But it's stopped and all is well.

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  2. Mar 7, 2011 #1122 of 3467
    powpowmeow

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    Hi guys, great threead. I just got the hr24 a month ago and already need to expand my storage. After realizing the "recommended" esata drives were out of production, i called directv and got nowhere. Then I found this thread...


    Im comibing a WD WD20EURS 2tb with the antec mx-1. it was only a 14-15 dollar price difference where i bought the items, im familiar with the antec brand, and it looks like a slightly nicer enclosure and slightly quieter as well. i am pretty well versed in pc hardware installation etc so im not worried about that.

    i do have a couple somewhat more general questions, but hard drive related.


    1. i am under the impression that once i put the new hd and the antec enclosure together, i amnot supposed to plug it into a computer under any circumstances, is that correct? the first use of the hard drive has to be plugged into the hr24, is that right?

    2. after i have used my new esata drive with the hr24, i cannot plug it inot a computer, (at least not without losing all my saved shows/videos) is that right?


    normally when i get a new drive i run some diagnostics tests, make sure the drive is stable, stuff like that. of course this would require me to plug it into my pc.

    i believe i had another question but i cant think of it now. maybe later i will.

    thanks a lot !
     
  3. Mar 7, 2011 #1123 of 3467
    harsh

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    You can connect and check it. Just don't partition or format it.

    The chances that diagnostic software is going to identify or fix problems with a new drive is vanishingly small.
     
  4. Mar 7, 2011 #1124 of 3467
    Rich

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    I've been putting external drives on my HRs for quite a while and have never seen the need to hook one up to a computer. The HR will format the EURS drive and you'll be good to go. In case you're not familiar with the initial setup, just unplug the HR, plug in the eSATA to eSATA jumper to the HR and the MX-1 and then plug in the MX-1. Give it time to spin up (about 30 seconds to a minute) and then plug in the HR and the HR will do all the work and you should be good to go. Glad to see you had the good sense to get the 2TB drive.

    Rich
     
  5. Mar 7, 2011 #1125 of 3467
    powpowmeow

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    Thanks Rich! You da man
     
  6. Mar 7, 2011 #1126 of 3467
    powpowmeow

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    So it sounds like it's ok to plug the external drive into another machine, like a pc, AFTER the hr24 has formatted the drive and saved shows to it etc
    Is that right?

    I read a couple posts in this thread that made it sound like the drives slow down performance wise once they start getting full. This true?

    If so, seems like plugging the drive into a pc and using a defrag app like perfectdisk 10 could greatly improve the drive performance. This app is a hard disk defrag utility. It has multiple types of defrag, but t does a defrag where it puts all the data sectors on one part of the disc, and all the empty space is consolidated. that seems like it would be the best option for a dvr hard drive.
     
  7. Mar 8, 2011 #1127 of 3467
    Rich

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    I dunno. I haven't had an HDD problem in a long time. For quite a while HDDs were rarely mentioned on the forum as a problem. All of a sudden it became fashionable to blame them for any issues. They don't seem to need any help, at least in my case, they just keep running and running like that little bunny.

    Rich
     
  8. Mar 8, 2011 #1128 of 3467
    powpowmeow

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    Cool. I was thinking a way to test out if a pc can defrag an external used by the hr series:

    -plug in the esata to the hr right out of the box
    -let it format or do it's thing, whatever it does
    -test record a show
    - shut down the hr, plug the esata into the pc, run perfectdisk
    -plug it back into the hr

    now if the drive has been changed somehow by the pc, in terms of file system/compatibility with the HR, will the HR just automatically reformat the hard drive to make it compatible? or is their the potential i have made my new external drive permanently incompatible with the HR?

    thanks!
     
  9. Mar 8, 2011 #1129 of 3467
    Rich

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    What did Grandma say when she shooed everyone out of the kitchen? Too many...

    Leave it alone, you'll be fine.

    Rich
     
  10. Mar 8, 2011 #1130 of 3467
    srfrdan

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    i agree. let it fly on its own. i plugged in my 1.5tb esata into my hr20-700 10/6/09 and have not had one problem. except for power failures and new programming its not rebooted once. it holds 200+ hd shows i counted so that takes up to 20 secs to find a show sometimes but usually only secs.
     
  11. Mar 9, 2011 #1131 of 3467
    harsh

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    Understand that PerfectDisk (and most other Windows-based software) will ignore a *nix formatted drive such as the eSATA from an HR2x. There are dedicated programs to access files, but I don't think there's anything that works below the directory and file level.
     
  12. Mar 9, 2011 #1132 of 3467
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    When using an external drive on HR22 (perhaps applicable to other models - but I'm interested in HR22 (because its my model :) ).

    1) Does the RPM of the drive make a different - even a little? (I really don't care about the green part of it - I want the best performance I can get).

    2) With that being said, regardless of RPM: is 2TB drive acceptable? 3TB drive? (or are they too large for the HR22 DVR)?



    I am concerned with lowering heat in the room (too much electronic heat already - in winter I keep the window open in 32 degree weather and its warm-to coolish depending on the wind) - but I'm not concerned enough to choose a lower RPM if 7200RPM has better performance.

    Yet I would like to spin down the drive when not in use (reduce noise, increase lifespan, reduce heat). Green drives never truly seem to spin down - but spin slower (from my understanding):

    3) So is there an enclosure that is available at a decent cost at Newegg/Amazon or some other trusted e-retailer that will spin down the drive after no activity - or will the HR-22 do this for me considering its replacing the internal drive and its on e-sata?



    Depending on the answers to the questions above, I will need to make good choice on hard drive/enclosure. I am hoping that perhaps there is an enclosure that will spin down the drive or that the HR-22 will do that for me via e-sata - then I can forget about the debate of RPM and just go w/ a viable drive like Hitachi (hasnt failed me yet) at 2TB 7200RPM. I am willing to go to a less expensive combination of an entire external unit that already has enclosure/harddrive with 2+TB and 7200RPM if its compatible w/ e-sata and the HR-22. I know that WD mybook and Seagate FreeAgent both have spin down built into their units (or at least some have)... but need to be 100% sure before I buy such a unit.


    I have in hand a 7200 RPM drive with an enclosure which is e-sata compatible (Hitachi Deskstar 2TB 7200 64MB cache and a Rosewell external case). If the HR-22 supports spindown via any e-sata drive connected to it - Im set and I dont have to spend any more money. If it doesn't spin down then I would:

    1. rather get a case that does and use it if its not that much more expensive.
    2. Buy an external unit with HD and spindown (if hr-22 doesnt support it and no external case available that supports it)
    3. Live with the heat/noise/lower lifespan/etc of a drive running constantly for my DVR along with the one that is running already in the DRV (I heard it doesn't spin down in one place - but I dont think thats true).

    I know this is a wall of text - but I couldn't find answers anywhere else (I spent about an hour looking) - so if you guys and gals can help out - I would greatly appreciate it. If someone answers part of it and you can answer the other parts - that works too. I really do need your help here in answering these questions and not just being pointed to a piece of hardware without knowing the answers to them.
     
  13. Mar 9, 2011 #1133 of 3467
    heartspeace

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    I have heard the hr-22 defragging the internal unit - wouldn't it also defrag the external unit?

    If not - can't the internal unit just be replaced (I know you void the warranty) w/ a larger unit (what is the max size?) I suspect strongly it can easily be done as there are services doing it for up to 2TB drives... but for money that seems too high to pay for something you should be easily able to do yourself - yet I have searched a lot and perhaps I'm just missing it but I have not see a 'guide' on how to replace the drive you have inside the unit. What is a little crazy - is that those services also say they can preserve your movies... so they must have special equipment?
     
  14. CCarncross

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    Drive will never spin down in a DVR....the best recommendation is buy a WD 2TB model in the EADS, EVDS, or EURS lines, and either use the Antec MX-1 enclosure or the Thermaltake BlacX that if you read more of this thread will be highly recommended solutions. Drives larger than 2TB are not useable, the OS on the device will only recognize up to 2TB drives currently.

    And the thread you are looking for about drive replacement is here:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=167440
     
  15. rsblaski

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    Just a minor nit for search purposes: the Thermaltake model is "BlacX" (no "k").
     
  16. powpowmeow

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    had the external for about 24 hrs now - all systems go
    it seemed like it took FIVE MINUTES for the entire setup process once i plugged the hr24 back in and powered it up. which was very pleasantly surprising

    no issue with recording multiple shows at once, nor issues with playback, or menus, or anything else

    I bought the antec mx-1 for the enclosure because i am familiar with their products and they excel in the area of quiet cooling
    The hard drive I went with is the WD20EURS because it has a 64 mb cache and it is 2 tbs

    all together i paid about $160 shipped from a big name online retailer and had both items on the 3rd business day

    Im curious what a 2 tb drive breaks down to in terms of hi def video storage? how many hours?

    thanks everyone for the help; wish i would have found this forum sooner.
     
  17. hasan

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    Between 400 and 500 hours, depending on the source material's compressibility. I've consistently measured 430-450, and have gotten 470 on one occasion.
     
  18. heartspeace

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    Thank you. Per your direction/help I ordered and am now using successfully a
    Western Digital 2 TB AV-GP SATA Intellipower 32 MB Cache Bulk/OEM AV Hard Drive WD20EVDS
    w/ my existing Rosewill RX-358-S BLK (Black) 3.5" SATA to USB & eSATA Ext. Enclosure w/Int.80mm fan (on sale now (03-11-11 to 03-13-11 ends at 12am PST 03-14-11) at newegg (in silver) for $28... using coupon:

    Rosewill RX-358-S SLV (Silver) 3.5" SATA to USB & eSATA External Enclosure
    $49.99
    Your Price: $27.99
    With Promo Code
    EMCKGJJ32

    (They (newegg) are having a 72 hour sale)

    Turned off system, installed HD into enclosure, plugged it into system sata port, plugged it into enclosure sata port, plugged in enclosure, turned on enclosure and turned on system. When through all of its getting programming etc. and now I have 2TB to work with.

    TY
     
  19. jayman9207

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    If you lose a receiver can you plug your external drive into the new replacement receiver and you don't lose any of your shows?

    Reason I ask is because I just lost my HR24-100 in my living room last night and lost a ton of shows along with it. :mad: The HD died after only 7+ months and now I am worried about losing shows again.
     
  20. Rich

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    No, you lose the "marriage" of the HR and the external HDD and all shows are unwatchable.

    Rich
     

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