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eSATA - DIRECTV recommended list

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member DBSTalk Club

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    BTW, considering that some here have had some eSata cables that were finicky, is there a specific type that people here found to be reliable? I don't remember which one I'm currently using.
     
  2. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Having purchased around 900 Hard Drives over the past 6-7 years, I have seen EVERY brand have their turkeys. One model can be great with literally no failures (such as the WD Black 1TB SATA with 32MB Cache of which I have about 60) and then they change a minor feature (up it to 64MB Cache with only a minor change in the model number - probably nothing but the electronics board) and virtually every single one turns out to be fail after 100 or so hours.

    The 750MB SATA Seagates were wonderful. The very next Quarter when they came out with the larger 1TB/1.5TB/2.0TB Drives, the failure rate was incredible - with SMART warnings going off almost right out of the box, before absolute failure shortly thereafter.

    I can tell you of many models with great success - followed by the next models of complete disaster bearing the same brand.

    I can tell you of certain brands mentioned as favorites above that will not work as Boot Devices with Certain Computers - and other brands of higher capacity work with no issue.

    I also had great luck with the Hitachi 250MB PATA drives years ago, but as I have tried to get across, it really depends on the specific model drive - and most people do not go through enough of them to guage the real reliability rate.

    As the 3.5" WD-AV 2TB mentioned above have proven realiable (although I recently had a 2.5" WD-AV 320GB OEM die with virtually no usage in a SC 630 DVR), you should really be looking in that direction, as PSmith indicated.

    And BTW, Hitachi, NOR ANY BRAND has had a 1TB drive that could be humming along for 6-7 years. Try cutting your estimate in half.
     
  3. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    I've performed some serious cleanup on this thread. I'd appreciate if this thread got back to the business of supporting those with eSATA, rather than sniping with each other. If there's no need for peer-to-peer support on this topic, I will close this thread.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    There was a good post that Stuart deleted, and this post referenced the WD drives with an Antec enclosure, which is what I've been using with internal drives on my setups. Seagates I've used as external drives to a PC, but if a WD used in an Antec has been running flawlessly as briefly alluded to here, I may opt for that. We'll see if it can match one of my long-running Hitachis.
     
  5. GhostHeel

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    I've been running a WD WD20EADS in my HR22 for well over a year. It's been flawless and nearly impossible to fill up.
     
  6. sporthorse

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    OK, so I tried to do my homework and saw what 2Tb WD drives were recommended and the docking station... But I'm looking at the photo of the bare unprotected drive in the docking station and thinking of all the dust we have (out in the country) - looks like a recipe for problems... So I looked at the recommended MX-1 enclosure, but then the price jumps from $88 total for the dock and the drive to $70 for the drive and $95 for the enclosure, ouch! Or I could settle for the Wd 1TB My Dvr Expander for a total of $96. It would still be twice what's in the DVR. So my question is, with the bare drive and the docking station, how do you protect it from excessive dust?

    BTW, I see recommendations for both the WD20EURS and the WD20EARS, looks like about $30 difference in price. Pros and cons for these two drives?

    TIA
     
  7. harsh

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    Dust is typically more trouble with an enclosure than it is with open-air drives. An enclosure houses the drive and a power supply and as such, it must have a fan to dissipate heat. Fans often don't last very long in dusty environments without filters that reduce their effectiveness.

    Hard drives are very close to hermetically sealed so dust settling on them won't impact their performance. Docks typically employ a wall wart so the heat is spread out and no fan is required. The disadvantage to a dock is that it provides very little acoustic dampening.
     
  8. Rich

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    You won't have a problem with dust and the docking stations. The MX-1 has a huge fan in it and is like a mini-vacuum cleaner. I just had one open a couple months ago and the amount of dust in it was very noticeable. Doesn't appear to have any negative effects on the HDDs tho. I have several docking stations and I see no dust accumulations on them at all. And they are just warm to the touch.

    I have three EARS on and in three 20-700s and they work well. They even drop the temps on the 20-700s to 118 degrees from 123-126 degrees. I also have a couple EADS that are also not specially designed for DVR use and they both drop the temps to 118 degrees. The EVDS drives that I have internally and externally on the rest of my HRs don't lower the temps even tho they are made for DVRs, as is the EURS. The only question in my mind and the minds of others on the forum is "which will last longer?" Too soon to answer that question.

    Rich
     
  9. HDinVT

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    a few weeks ago my MX-1 started getting really noisy. It sounded like someone was revving the engine. Figured it was on its way out so I retired in favor of the Thermaltake ST0021U Max 5. Got it at nu egg dot com.

    This enclosure is unbelievably quiet, I had to put my hand next to the fans to make sure it was working. It has only been operational for 18 hours or so, but I recommend it so far. :joy:
     
  10. Rich

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    Quite a few member have tried that enclosure and like it. If I needed another external device I'd probably buy one just to try it. Good luck!

    Rich
     
  11. kikkenit2

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    The thing with all these large fan enclosures is they get full of dust eventually. Hence extra weight and friction on the fan blades and bearings. Then they get noisy and wear out fast when dirty. They all need to be cleaned with compressed air periodically. Even the exposed dock can appreciate a quick squirt once in a while. I mostly use the cheap rosewill with single 3" fan. That dual fan thermaltake puts mine to shame, but overkill for me.
     
  12. Rich

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    I agree with that. Dust and motor bearings don't get along. I always cleaned my MX-1s with compressed air occasionally. But the MX-1s I bought were usually noisy right out of the box. Putting them on foam pads helps quite a bit.

    Certainly can't hurt, but I've examined mine several times using a flashlight and a magnifying glass and I've seen no accumulation of dust at all. At first, I was concerned about the exposed section of the HDD, but I've been assured that it's not a problem in any way.

    Weaknees used them for a while, don't know what they're using now.

    I've only seen pictures of it and read what other folks have said about it, but it sure looks neat.

    Rich
     
  13. Lord Vader

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    Speaking of compressed gas, imagine my surprise when a few months ago, I went to purchase a can and was asked for my ID! I got carded to buy compressed air, but I never get carded for alcohol. Go figure! :p
     
  14. HDinVT

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    I did clean it, but after it started to get noisier than "normal". I've had it for a while. I suspect you are right, if I'd done a little pm I'd have gotten more years out of it.

     
  15. Rich

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    That "normal" noise is annoying enough. Did you try a foam pad? The easiest thing to do is buy a TT docking station. As long as the HDD is quiet, the TT is silent. Put a Seagate in a TT and you'll almost always hear that terrible chattering sound. Don't get any noise from my WD drives.

    Rich
     
  16. FHSPSU67

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    Thanks to this thread I've ordered this $103.98 shipped combo from NewEgg. Amazing price for 2TB HR25-500:)

    1 x ($33.99) EXT ENC TT|ST0005U R $33.99
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    1 x ($69.99) HD 2T|WD WD20EARS 64M % - OEM $69.99
     
  17. David Ortiz

    David Ortiz Save the Clock Tower!!

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    Newegg has a $15 rebate for the ST0005U as well.
     
  18. FHSPSU67

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    Yep, I saw that. Thanks anyway for the reminder for those interested besides me:)
     
  19. HDinVT

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    Never tried that. It was in the enterainment center in the living room, so it did not bother us much. I just looked it up, I got it at the yellow tag store 8/18/2008. So its a little over 3 years old, and like I said I could have maintained it better. I put it up in a closet, might come in handy someday.
     
  20. Lord Vader

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    This is unbelievable! I've gone through SIX frickin' eSata cables trying to connect my WD and its enclosure to my HR24-500. The cables fit fine into the TT enclosure, but nothing I do lets me connect it to the HR24. I'm at wit's end. I can insert it about halfway, but that's all she wrote. It just won't go in any farther. All this trying caused that tiny metal clip-like thing to bend outward even more, further preventing the cable from going in.

    Is there some kind of secret to getting an eSata cable connected to an HR24-500? I never had this problem on my HR20-700s. One cable, one immediate connection. With the HR24, no cable I've tried will fit snugly into the receiver. My fingers are even sore trying to twist and push and jiggle the thing in.
     

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