eSATA - Has been enabled, but....

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. May 4, 2009 #2801 of 2831
    sipester

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    Thanks for the feedback, I've tried several times to no avail. I'll disconnect my AM21, perhaps that is not helping. Per your advice, I'll try the reset button while both devices are powered up. If I don't get this fixed soon, I'll send the Apricorn device back (and shame on Apricorn for advertising D* capability). Now of course I knew there likely going to be compatibility issues with the dumb D* box (I have an HR21), but someone browsing Apricorn's site may not know, perhaps they should have some disclaimer on their site.
     
  2. May 5, 2009 #2802 of 2831
    auskck

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    I've given up on the unsupported esata drives. Lost all files 4 times now, when HR22 is powered off (unplugged) then powered on the HR22 may or may not decide to format the drive. For me it just not worth the effort.
    DirecTv needs to support esata or drop it all together. Having the internal drive disabled when esata attached is plan dumb FW. Having the drive tied to the receiver is also dumb (tie it to the users account) Dish is far more advanced in handling external drives. USB drives, as many as you like not tied to the receiver and does not disable the internal drive.
    Come on DirecTv get your finger out.
     
  3. voltagexx

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    Hey everyone. I apologize in advance if this has been answered, as I didn't look through all 100+ pages. :)

    While I understand that if you hook up an external hard drive, it A.) won't have all your saved programs, and B.) won't have series recordings set, or anything like that. But basically my situation is I have a DTV DVR that's about half full and want to set up a larger hard drive. Can I do that, re-schedule all my programs for the future, but still be able to unhook it and watch what's left on the internal hard drive, until I've gone through all of that?

    I guess what I'm wondering, trying to put it simply, is if I can unplug and re-plug the external hard drive, without losing any of the series recordings and programs on it, once I set those up? Hopefully this makes perfect sense to someone and you can help me out.
     
  4. AstroDad

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    Yes, you can do that, you'll just have to reboot your DVR everytime you switch
     
  5. voltagexx

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    Great, now it's just a matter of finding a good but cheap option on the hard drive, since it appears a lot of them don't work out right. :D
     
  6. gdavisloop

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    Since almost all the cheap HD's advertised are USB2, you should consider buying a good internal (SATA) hard drive an a good enclosure. Western Digital makes hard drives with an "AV" rating for only about $10 extra, although I've been using the Seagate 1.5TB "el cheapo" SATA drive without any obvious problems.
    --Gary
     
  7. anubys

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    go to newegg...you can get a 1TB cavalry for around $100...whatever you buy, make sure the package includes the esata cable ;)
     
  8. voltagexx

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    That was going to be my website of choice anyways I think. That's where I've gotten most of my little computer upgrade products in the past.
     
  9. davemayo

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    I think my Free Agent Pro 750GB eSATA died suddenly after 18 months of flawless performance. I came home tonight and my HR20-100 was extremely sluggish. I couldn't get the menu to come up to do a menu reset, so I RBR'd. The box came back up on the internal drive. I've tried several times to get it to recognize the eSATA drive to no avail.

    When I power up the FAP, it is making a faint, rythmic clicking noise and the orange stripe is flickering somewhat. I don't know if this is normal because I never paid attention to what sounds it made.

    Is the clicking sound/flickering light a sign that the drive died? I hope not, I had that drive at 2% free. That's a lot of programming to lose.

    Is there any way to run diagnostics on the drive? I don't have a computer with eSATA that I could plug the drive into, but it looks like the drive may have a mini-USB port. Can I use a mini-USB cable to connect the drive to my computer and get some Seagate diagnostic software to diagnose the drive? I don't see any other way to figure out if the drive is toast.

    Thanks.
     
  10. bozzaj

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    That clicking is the drive trying to reset the heads over and over and likely some sort of hardware failure. Without true diagnostics it's hard to tell more, but I'm fairly certain something failed on the drive.

    Low-level Diagnostics usually won't work via USB, since the drive has to be at least somewhat working for the USB hub to "attach" to it. The drive inside is just a SATA drive, so if you have SATA ports on your computer, you can easily connect it directly. If you don't want to open the FAP case, You can get an eSATA bracket (or an internal SATA to eSATA cable) for your computer that would convert an internal port. If you do this, make sure your SATA ports are in Enhanced mode (and not just compatibility/legacy mode) or turn off your computer before hooking up the external drive.
     
  11. davemayo

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    Since I posted my message, the clicking has stopped and the orange light down the spine blinks repeatedly. Dead for sure. :mad: What would cause that to happen? One minute it was fine, then I did an RBR and it died.
     
  12. bozzaj

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    Well, it could be a number of different things and drives *do* fail just like that. It sounds like it's a controller failure and not a head crash failure. Basically, the controller on a hard drive is like a computer in itself and has to go through a "boot phase" to startup the drive. Your reboot may have just caused something weak on the controller board to fail.

    Obviously, this is all guesswork. Data recovery companies recover from something like this by swapping the controller board. HD companies refurbish a drive the same way.

    Drives are strange things. I have some drives that last for years with no problem at all, others seem to fail every few months. On the PC side, I never build anything anymore without at least having mirroring. It's almost like the most sensitive stuff will be the place where the drives fail. At least, that's my luck!
     
  13. Villager

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    There have been a rash of FAP 750 failures reported in the past few weeks. All of these FAP750's are about the same age, it seems. Since you have a 5-year warranty, Seagate will replace it for shipping costs but it there is some evidence that it is not the drive that is failing but it is the power supply (transformer). When I got my replacement, I used the new transformer and the old drive worked fine. Perhaps you can get Seagate to replace the power supply and let you keep the old drive. I am not the only one to report this.
     
  14. davemayo

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    Assume that I could get the data recovered and put on another eSATA drive, could I connect that new drive to the HR20 and be able to view the recordings or will I be foiled by copy protection?
     
  15. ColdCase

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    This is also a typical failure mode for Laci drives where users have learned to plan on replacing the power supply brick every 12-18 months.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2009 #2816 of 2831
    AstroDad

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    has anyone attempted to use one of these?

    It has the eSata connection and with the open design the heat should dissipate quickly, but I imagine noise could be a factor...thoughts?

    Last year I rocked an Antec with 1 TB WD Green, but the HD gave out on me halfway into the season. I was thinking of stepping up a Black Caviar and seeing how that does. I plan to use the Antec again, but was curious what you guys thought of this docking system.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2009 #2817 of 2831
    P Smith

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    What noise ?
    Using first one BlacX with different models Seagate/Maxtor/WD/Hitachi/etc from 40 GB to 2 TB without any harm for environment.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2009 #2818 of 2831
    Drew2k

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    I have one of these on my PC, but can only use one drive at a time as my SATA controller doesn't support the option for multiple drives per one connection. Hopefully you are not considering using this for your DIRECTV receiver, though, even with only one drive, as it's not on DIRECTV's recommended list. If you stick with their recommendations you should be fine ...

    http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/article.jsp?assetId=P5980155
     
  19. Sep 9, 2009 #2819 of 2831
    Volman

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    I've been using a Vantec NexStar dock with an eSata on my PC for a year or more.No noise issues and works well.Whether it is compatable with a DVR....don't know.
     
  20. AndyWeg

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    Wow what a great site you have here! I have spent the last two hours studying this thread... I am left with only one question (sorry if already discussed... I couldn't find it): Is it possible to simply replace the internal drive with a larger one, thus removing most, if not all, of the obstacles discussed here? I would think that solution would be superior in many ways if it would work. Any thoughts?
     

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