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ESPN HD's Picture quallity issues

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kenkraly2004, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. Sep 20, 2010 #21 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    720p vs 1080i is a boring argument, and do a little reading if you really think one is that better than the other. My local Fox RSN, which is 720p, looks outstanding.

    Let's not turn ESPN issue into a 720p thing, because that's letting them off the hook for terrible broadcasts.
     
  2. Sep 20, 2010 #22 of 167
    Davenlr

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    Wasnt trying to, just pointing out the difference I notice, and that I would compare 720p channels against each other. Fox RSNs usually look much better here than ESPN does. FOX broadcast on the other hand, reserves space in their signal for a -2 channel, so even if your local fox doesnt have a -2 channel, the main channel is not using the full ATSC bandwidth.
     
  3. Sep 20, 2010 #23 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    Understood, just too many like to say that's ESPN's problem, when we know there is more to it.

    My local Fox OTA looks pretty good, but not quite as good as CBS. The CBS here looks a tad sub par, just because they chose to have 2 subchannels. Maybe ESPN has subchannels, like 8 of em...
     
  4. Sep 20, 2010 #24 of 167
    Davenlr

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    CBS uses a symbol rate of 32000, ESPN uses 29270, Speed uses 14028, on their uplinks. Dont know how that would relate, since 29270 is more than enough bandwidth when converted to bitrate, to send a crisp picture.

    symbol rate in symbols per second = (Data rate in bits per second * 204) / (188 * bits per symbol)
     
  5. Sep 21, 2010 #25 of 167
    Maruuk

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    Monday Night football tonight was a perfect example. I'm sure we're getting all the ESPN 720p bandwidth, it looked as good as 720p can. Good in closeups/talking heads/commercials. But very subpar on the master shots on kickoffs and wide shots of the plays. Helmets have a slight blur/halo effect, all fine detail becomes slightly jumbled. Because it's right at the edge of being able to resolve these details. But the most heinous sin of all: Cheerleaders in the background are blurry! Not the case in 1080i.
     
  6. Sep 21, 2010 #26 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    I agree, the closeups really are not bad, but faraway shots just don't look good at all. Nascar on both ABC and ESPN is the same. Car closeups can look good, but broad shots of the track are just bad.
     
  7. Sep 21, 2010 #27 of 167
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    I also noticed this. The weird thing is that, in general, their college football broadcasts look better than their MNF broadcasts (too me, that is). While watching MNF last night, I switched over to ESPNU HD and they were replaying a college football game. The college football game looked better.
     
  8. Sep 21, 2010 #28 of 167
    SPACEMAKER

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    :lol::lol::rolling::lol:

    I am now convinced that this poster is some sort of schtick and we've all been taken in by his buffoonery. No one can be this completely clueless.

    For further proof I suggest you take a look at his post history.

    If by some small chance this is NOT a schtick then oh well.
     
  9. Sep 21, 2010 #29 of 167
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    Just got done watching the Niner Press Conference with embedded game highlights from ESPN's telecast on CSNBA. The highlights' PQ were far superior than the orginal telecast.
    Can the "experts" tell me why that is?
     
  10. Sep 22, 2010 #30 of 167
    billsharpe

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    OK, here you go...
    ESPN HD football games look fine to me -- I've got a 40-inch LCD set. CBS games look a bit better. Of course I'm watching the local LA CBS affiliate OTA, which doesn't carry any sub-channels.
     
  11. Sep 22, 2010 #31 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    The 40" size would explain the answer to me. Not an insult, but it all looks great on my 32" bedroom tv, it's the larger screen where the compression shows.
     
  12. Sep 22, 2010 #32 of 167
    beachmonkey

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    Maruuk,
    720p is HD ... get that through your head. But again, you have no clue what what the definition of HD is.

    Here are a few articles to help you out in case you try and brain wash people with YOUR personalized definition of true HD. But, knowing you, you will completely ignore these facts and claim 720p as not HD.

    http://www.projectorcentral.com/true_hdtv.htm

    http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2004/11/true-hdtv/

    http://ezinearticles.com/?720p-Vs-1080i-HDTV&id=91443

    http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/
     
  13. Sep 22, 2010 #33 of 167
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    Maruuk must be a masochist since he puts up with "sub-par" 720p programming. BTW, 720p is an official HD standard, with 720p-capable TVs allowed to use the HD Ready logo.

    So it's not up to one disgruntled poster to determine what is HD or not.
     
  14. Sep 22, 2010 #34 of 167
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    In the past they used different SD Cameras for Kickoffs and Wide Shots from the stadium and better HD Cameras on the Sideline view and from above using the Wired Camera.

    Maybe that is still the case with ESPN.
     
  15. Sep 22, 2010 #35 of 167
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    Not gonna get into the 720p discussion because it is silly. I have lots of 720p channels that look great. As for ESPN, I have seen wild variation in their PQ. I think it is more what generation equipment they are using for any particular game. And not just at the site. I have seen not great ESPNU live coverage and yet seen great PQ for reruns of games that were on ESPN or ESPN2 originally on ESPNU.

    Plus ESPNews usually looks awesome, even on the highlights.

    As for ABC, again, variation, but the BCS games looked great.
     
  16. Sep 22, 2010 #36 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    Tony, I agree. I think my biggest issue, and why I'm just tired of it, is its been this way for years. I just don't get why they can't fix it, especially with all the money the fat headed mouse is raking in.
     
  17. Sep 22, 2010 #37 of 167
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    And why don't they have all their alternate games in HD and why do they still do some college sports in SD.

    Answer: They don't need to. They are making money.
     
  18. Sep 22, 2010 #38 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    Yepp, which is why it makes me ill I was actually happy they got the ACC and SEC deals.
     
  19. Sep 22, 2010 #39 of 167
    Maruuk

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    ED is between SD and HD, which is obviously 1080i. Too bad they stopped emphasizing math skills in school. 720 is an old standard back when most sets came in only 720. That's certainly not the case anymore, hasn't been for a long time. This limited-resolution format will die out soon enough. In the meantime, we all have to suffer through it as long as morons like ABC are forcing hapless viewers to endure this outdated Blur-o-Vision.
     
  20. Sep 22, 2010 #40 of 167
    tonyd79

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    Stop it. You cannot just adjust definitions by yourself. ED has a definition. Bascially 480p. You can claim all you want that 1080i is better but the INDUSTRY sets the definitions, not you. And definitions should not slide with time. VHF (Very High Frequency) didn't become less high when they started using UHF. Standard transmissions are still non-automatic even though most cars come with automatic transmissions "standard."

    Too bad they didn't emphasize dictionary definitions in your school. Must've been one of those "progressive schools" where they let you make up your own words.
     

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