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ESPN HD's Picture quallity issues

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kenkraly2004, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. Sep 26, 2010 #61 of 167
    WebTraveler

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    Think you are so funny, huh?
     
  2. Nov 6, 2010 #62 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    Well, watched two games on the FSS RSN tonight. Freaking blows ESPN away. They really need to work on their game.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2010 #63 of 167
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    720p is a terrible format for sports. TV drama and sitcoms are fine in 720, but sports suffer horribly since they depend on fine detail in master shots to make them immersive and create that feeling of "being at the game", which 720p can't deliver. Not to mention actually seeing the critical details of the game itself. Like cheerleaders.

    ABC/ESPN need to really hang it up with this HD-Lite crap and get with the Tru-HD 1080i program as NBC and CBS have done. I don't fault ESPN--they're just broadcasting the medium-res format dictated to them by ABC. You can't make a silk purse out of the blurry pile of crap that is 720p.
     
  4. Nov 7, 2010 #64 of 167
    Richierich

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    !rolling

    Yeah....of course....blur-o-vision. :lol:

    Give it a rest - nobody seems to be buying that myth in the other thread either.

    There's a reason why ABC, ESPN, and many other use that format...it works.

    If there was a feasible way to get it done...I'd love to see just how your setup is configured...because 720p content is just great here, and it would be nice to assist you to see that and experience it for yourself.
     
  6. Nov 7, 2010 #66 of 167
    Richierich

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    I am looking at ESPN right now with The NFL Postgame Show and it looks Stunning so something must be Terribly Wrong with your Setup or you have bad equipment.

    I was watching a 720P Program upstairs and it looked terrible and I thought about what you have been saying Maruuk and then I realized that I was looking at an SD Version of the Channel because I had not Selected "Hide SD Duplicate Channels" so it was 480I Upscaled to 720P because I had not Selected 480I or 480P and the first resolotion that was checked was 720P so it Upscaled it to that.

    Once I Selected "Hide SD Duplicate Channels" I was watching Great 720P so maybe you have an SD Version of the Channel and you don't know it.

    Have you looked at your Resolution in Your Setup Menu and have you Selected "Hide SD Duplicate Channels"???
     
  7. Nov 7, 2010 #67 of 167
    BattleScott

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    A few other points that need mentioned as well:

    - In addition to the higher pixel count, the faster refresh rate of 1080i also makes it the superior choice for fast motion video
    - Since most of the current fixed-pixel HD sets convert all the incomming signals to an interlaced format, 1080i requires less processing than 720p.

    Oh and don't forget,
    -UP is really DOWN and LEFT is really RIGHT too...:rolleyes:
     
  8. Nov 7, 2010 #68 of 167
    Richierich

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    He either has Setup Problems or Bad Equipment. My 720P is Stellar and 720P has been proven to be better for Fast Motion Sports and that is why ABC, ESPN and FOX Selected it over 1080I.
     
  9. Nov 7, 2010 #69 of 167
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    Honestly, it would be nice to figure out just why a handful of folks seem to have a problem viewing 720p station broadcasts of HD. Most HDTV's upconvert to 1080i anyway, unless you fix-set them not to in their configuration.

    In any case, having seen literally hundreds of 720p broadcasts on hundreds of HDTV's - all great HD, thank you very much....there must be something unique for those who do not get those results.

    Just this afternoon -watched both an ESPNHD and ABCHD program, and in both cases, had no problems even seeing 1/2" high lettering at times on the screen from 38' away in my kitchen (on a 55" Sony HDTV) - very clear picture, even for sports activities that were on.

    As RichieRich pointed out....there are settings in the HDTV setup menus that default guide listings for channels in include or exclude certain kinds of channels. Perhaps those settings are not correctly configured - that's just one potential candidate for a solution. The other question is the other environmental contributors - what physical kind/model of HD dish is being used, what kind of multiswitch, etc.

    It would be good to help figure this out, so that the few having problems can enjoy what we already do on our units.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2010 #70 of 167
    sigma1914

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    I don't buy the 720 blur crap, BUT some games are just bad PQ on ESPN. Most Saturday night ABC games have been beautiful.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2010 #71 of 167
    Richierich

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    If All 720P Content was that Bad then their would indeed be a Massive Outcry from Directv Customers as well as Dish, Camcast and we are just not experiencing that Outcry but from a small handful of posters so I believe there must be either something Wrong with Their Setup or Their Equipment or Their Environment.

    I'm not saying everything broadcast by ESPN is Stellar but is certainly isn't Blur-O-Vision on my Home Entertainment Systems so I must be Blessed!!! :hurah:
     
  12. Nov 7, 2010 #72 of 167
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    With so many different games going on each Saturday, I wonder if there's not still some SD cameras in use and the feeds are just upconverted in production.
     
  13. Nov 7, 2010 #73 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    What Ive seen on ESPNU at times, this would not surprise me.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2010 #74 of 167
    Richierich

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    That's what I stated several Posts ago but I still don't even see that or I guess I just don't pay attention to shots of people in the stands or whatever but I just don't have Blur-O-Vision so maybe I pay Extra Money to Directv so I don't get Blur-O-Vision in my Directv Package.
     
  15. Nov 8, 2010 #75 of 167
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    I've been saying this for about a year - that all content providers (including CBS and others) mix in some SD cameras for certain shots that don't typically involve closeups or key video presentation. I've spotted those at events in person too...mostly HD, but a couple SD cameras.

    Overall though - 95% of the scenes are with HD cameras and look just fine on ABC, ESPN, and others using 720p (often upconverted to 1080i on displays).
     
  16. Nov 8, 2010 #76 of 167
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    Incorrect. 99% of today's flat panels are either 720p, 768p or 1080p. It's 1080i that get's converted to one of those three. 720p only needs conversion if it's going to a 768p or 1080p display.
     
  17. Nov 8, 2010 #77 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    Oh really...I guess those Millions of 720p upconverting HDTVs sold out there over the past 5 years just disappeared off the planet huh? :rolleyes:

    You must be confusing what you see at Best Buys with what are in homes. Most 1080p sets didn't even hit the mass market until about 18 months ago. 720p sets with upconverting to 1080i was the dominant format on store shelves for years until about 2008.

    That's precisely the reason those networks adopted 720p as their standard back in 2007/2008. 1080p was barely a twinkle in the eyes of retailers.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2010 #78 of 167
    Steve

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    You mean sets that upconvert 480i? They all do.
    Obviously you're more than a little unclear on how flat panel display resolution works. You should probably do some research before you post on the subject.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2010 #79 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    I'm not the one who's unclear as to what sets are in the real world.

    I'm quite clear on how flat panel displays work, and own 4 of them myself. I also understand that what exists in homes today represents a small fractional % of 1080p displays.

    You've missed the whole point - blaming 720p broadcasts for poor image viewing int he home is totally unfounded, as its done in millions of homes just fine, thank you.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2010 #80 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    95% is an out of the air figure. If you watch an entire game on ESPNU that looks upconverted, that does not fall into 3.5 hours of "looks just fine".
     

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