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Explain it to me: TiVo/DirecTV easier to use...

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 8, 2007.

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  1. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    I am in complete agreement, and have posted before, that TiVo has a better remote. DIRECTV needs to work hard in that area and they could grab quite a following if they did.
  2. TheRatPatrol

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    Does Tivo offer an RF remote?

  3. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    They would need a RF receiver first.:D
  4. Leftcoastdave

    Leftcoastdave Legend

    Apr 2, 2004
    Not to pile on, but I find it fascinating that the concensus of this entire thread is that the Tivo interface is more intuitive and easier to use than the HR20 for a multiplicity of reasons. FWIW, I posted my top 15 grievances back in the first page or so.

    I did want to add some anecdotal evidence. My wife is a relatively new DVR user. She has had a Tivo for about a year. Before that she refused to learn how to operate our ReplayTV's and Tivo's. She often referred to me in public and her universal remote control.

    Last Friday I replaced her first and only Tivo/DVR with an HR20-100. Despite a rigorous and patient training session where I showed her the basics of the new device, she is struggling mightily to use the HR20. After five days she has actually started to regress and is using some profanity of the likes I have not heard since my days in the US Army.

    She is a bright lady and to her credit she is not throwing in the towel by asking to get her Tivo back, but it is clear to me she is struggling to make the transition.
  5. rossgs

    rossgs Cool Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    The TIVO DVR remote control could control on/off of my satellite receiver, my audio receiver and my tv with one button. The HR20 remote requires three buttons to do the same thing.

    The TIVO could search much better on keyword. I just got a new HR20 and I am not getting the same programs at all.

    There is no equivalent of a season pass with the HR20

    Who would intuitively expect a button marked "LIST" to show programs previously recorded - LIST OF WHAT PRAYTELL!
  6. kmill14

    kmill14 Godfather

    Jun 12, 2007
    Just tell her to keep hitting the menu button. :lol:
  7. gully_foyle

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    I kind of disagree. It's not the remote that's the problem, it's the assumption by the HR20 programmers that everyone is using the official remote with it's color keys. Because if they are using a Harmony, or nearly any other universal remote, those color keys are VERY hard to reproduce, starting with the on-key colors.

    Not that they should use those keys, but they shouldn't assume that there is no need to provide a workable alternate system using the arrow, select and other keys that are found on nearly every remote (since the original D* RCA remote). Currently the menu-driven structure blows if you aren't using the color keys.

    And, even if you are using the official remote, the various uses of the color keys are not strictly intuitive. More like "Hey, let's use yellow for this right here." Which makes the color keys hard to learn, and probably a lot of folks give up and just use the menus, which still blow.
  8. JAYPB

    JAYPB Legend

    May 8, 2002
    For me, #3 is HUGE WRT the HR20 vs HR10 comparison. On my HR20, I tried recording a daily sports highlights show....which I would view/watch every 4-5 days...and it became a CHORE to make sure I was deleting the correct show when I came out (hit stop) OR, after I deleted a viewing I had to REMEMBER that I was back at the top of the folder and therefore had to "go" to the correct day in the folder to get the next day's show....

    And #4 is an obvious need in my household, where although we WATCH tons of stuff we've recorded...when the kids are in the kitchen eating breakfast and they want to watch Sponge Bob and my wife wants to see the news, we set both tuners on the hr10 to each channel...and flip flop back and forth so everyone is happy on commercial breaks (seamlessly, without having to hit record on both channels and then start/stop at different points and waste time....because isn't time the new currency ?!?!?!) :grin:

    Also, for me, the FF speed leaves me wanting in comparison to the HR10. 3x speed on the HR10 was about 60x (i.e. 1 minute of show per second of FF'ing) whereas 3x speed on the HR20 is about 45x...and 4x is about 90x...so it's hard for me to "view" what I need to see at 90x on the HR20 and 3x "just isn't fast enough" to skim through when the wife is screaming upstairs that dinner is ready, or the kids are beating the crap out of each other and I'm trying to fly through 5 days worth of SportsCenter and get up there as quickly as I can!!!! 60X seemed perfect for me to view highlight shows/Leno/Conan...but 45x is too slow (too damn impatient) and 90x is too fast to actually "see" what might interest me.
  9. ATARI

    ATARI Hall Of Fame

    May 10, 2007

    I have had to get pretty inventive of assigning keys of my universal remote to the color keys of the HR20 remote.
  10. belunos

    belunos AllStar

    Oct 5, 2007
    I'm late to the party, and skipped about 4-5 pages, but here's my list anyway.

    First, It'd be nice to be able to turn off that little screen playing whatever is on when you're in a menu or list. I say this because often they'll be something recording, and if I'm not fast, I'll end up catching some of it. I hate catching snippets of something, then watching it later.

    When I hit List on the remote while watching something, it'd be nice if it would ask me if I want to delete the program I'm watching. I can do this if I hit stop, but it takes me all the way out.. I just want to go back to list, and not have to delete the show by hand. I'm not sure if this made any sense ;)

    I know this has been talked about, but for Pete's sake, stop trying to record stuff on channels I don't get!

    Give me an option to record up to 10 items of a program. 5 isn't enough, and 'All' is too many.

    Make the scheduler easier to deal with. Show me what I have set to record, whether or not it's coming on soon.

    Let me use the left and right arrows to represent Back and Select.

    I guess it all boils down to intuitiveness. I think a large part that separates the two units is how things are displayed. On the 20, I can't differentiate a lot of different screens.. am I on list? Am I on search? To do? They all kind of run together. You can't flip from the top of an item in a list to the bottom by simply pressing the up arrow. That sort of thing.
  11. osultan

    osultan Cool Member

    Feb 23, 2007
    I am not married to either UI--they are both workable. I used to like TiVo simply because it is familiar--having had the HR-20 are the primary DVR for a couple of months now, it is a wash.

    My ultimate judge of these things is my (non-technical) wife. She only cares that her shows get recorded. Thankfully the HR20 has been solid on this front as long as KOVR is cooperating. I simply switched from the Hr10 to the HR20 one day and she had no prob making a switch.

    That being said, there are a couple nits on each side:

    + Way faster
    + Some things like recording and SL is easier

    HR10 (TiVo):
    + Response to remote is crisper, especially with trick-play
    + Better consistency of button functions across menus (someone else bought up the different ways to delete)
    + GUI is much better to look at--DTV could use a more subtle palette and discover textures

    I actually think the HR20 folks are trying to be more innovative (although some of the features are a little rough around the edges). I think the Tivo folks are hemmed in by their current success, since any significant changes are sure to raise a howl from their dedicated user-base.
  12. Sirshagg

    Sirshagg Hall Of Fame

    Dec 29, 2006
    There are called Series Links on the HR20. I suspect you may have been referring to suggestions or Whish Lists.
  13. Sirshagg

    Sirshagg Hall Of Fame

    Dec 29, 2006
    Personally I've never encountered a better designed easy to use remote that the Tivo peanut. These remotes are truely incredible.

    This is why I chose the Harmony Xbox remote - it has the color buttons.
  14. Sirshagg

    Sirshagg Hall Of Fame

    Dec 29, 2006
    :up: :up: :up: The pig is a love/hate thing - this is the hate part.

    :up: I agree. I've needed 10 a few times and I believe the Tivo offers it.

    :up: :up: Well we got the left = back in the CE, just need to add right = select too. Once again I believe the Tivo already does this.
  15. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Not the D*TiVo
  16. Jafo350

    Jafo350 New Member

    May 26, 2007
    I hate to change the subject here but:
    In regards to reading the manual to learn how to operate a new device, how does one explain that the 6 items listed above (which are in the operators manual) do not work properly, or at all
  17. tooloud10

    tooloud10 Legend

    Sep 23, 2007
    My HR10-250 must be broken. I have "Comedy Central Presents" set to keep 10 episodes at all times.
  18. belunos

    belunos AllStar

    Oct 5, 2007
    Yea, my plain jane D*tivo has it to
  19. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Hmmm, I guess I must be remembering wrong (I leave setting up the Season Passes to my wife most of the time).
  20. Milominderbinder2

    Milominderbinder2 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '08

    Oct 8, 2006
    That is the point. The manual says that the HR20 can do these things but it can not do any of them.

    - Craig
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