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Discussion in 'ViP612/622/722/722K DVR Support Forum' started by Ron Barry, Jan 8, 2007.
I mean - ppl who was publicly accept that leaked price $20 or $30 'gave their finger' month ago.
I merged the other USB support thread into this one since there seemed to be common conversation about today's article and both were centered around USB external drive support.
I'm also skeptical when I factor in that no one on the forums has come up with an even semi-credible confirmation of what that article says.
Usually info like this comes either through the rumor mill OR direct from Dish as a press release. Sometimes the rumor mill gets it wrong, but at least it comes through the mill... and the forums have been pretty quiet when it comes to any price for enabling this feature. We've all guessed and speculated and "voted" to some degree... but I find it odd that Dish would sanction this guy's article before they have announced the service themselves... and if he got it through "contacts" then I'm surprised the same info didn't leak out to other people like other rumors get started.
You all are griping in the wrong direction. It's the $200 to upgrade from a 622 to a 722 that irks me. My 622 is the lone silver component in a sea of black!
Say you go for the external storage, buy a hard drive and store lots and lots of shows on it. Then you decide to drop Dish and go to D* or something else. Can you still access these shows?
If the answer is no, I'm sticking with my DVD recorder to archive shows.
The answer is NO eventually.
I haven't tried watching DVRed stuff without the satellite connected, but I assume it works. That being the case... IF you owned a ViP622 then you may be able to still view stuff from the external storage after quitting Dish... but I wouldn't imagine you would be able to watch it through any other device.
I wouldn't say "irk"... but it is kind of confusing. I can't see why anyone would want to upgrade from a ViP622 to a ViP722 for that much. Unless it does something great that none of us have heard about yet... it is mainly just a 622 with a larger hard drive which may or may not allow you to use that space aside from VOD. So I can't see it being worth $200 upgrade price from a 622.
Just look what AT&T/2WIRE made from 622 board:
- new firmware by 2WIRE
- 500 GB disk
- Internet access ( to/from )
- 20 hrs of HD content (!).
Now imagine how close new 722 by HW to the 622HZ.
My guess is that this is a very preliminary "if you own your 622" stipulation. For those of us that lease their 622s and are nearing the ends of their 18 month contractual commitments, other more interesting offers may be forthcoming...predicated upon obligating to a new contractual commitment, of course...
Hey, thanks for the vote of confidence! The information came straight from DISH Network's corporate communications group from a conversation I had with them at a press-only event last week. And most of the details (including pricing and release date) were later confirmed (yesterday) by an admin named Scott over on that *other* DISH discussion forum from independent conversations he had with the E* people (I suppose it would be in poor taste to provide a link to other forums so I will not do that).
As for the increased storage capacity of the 722 vs. the 622, that came from an internal DISH fact sheet on the ViP722 with a rev date of 6/26/07. It did not specifically state whether any of that 55 hours of HD recording space would be dedicated to VOD, but from the wording/presentation of the info, that did not seem to be the case.
We shall see whether E* actually meets the promised prices/dates, but the facts themselves were approved by the DISH guys before I posted them.
Welcome... and don't take my doubts personally. I sit in the camp that enjoys discussing rumors and speculating about things, but never believing anything unless and until Dish issues a press release. I have worked for a company that had lots of things in development, lots of ideas bouncing around, and the end-product being completely different than even designs from the last month!
So... I meant nothing personal. I was surprised though that information of this nature (be it true or rumor) hadn't bounced around the other usual places. Not that I would have believed it if 10 people told me But still juicy info for an anticipated product like this would (and did) catch attention.
This one I still doubt, but for different reasons. More recording space for customers would be great! But it flies in the face of the VOD features that Dish wants to enhance as the current unit doesn't have enough reserved storage to accomodate any HD VOD. That's why we all kind of figured most (or all) of the additional space on a 722 would be for VOD purposes.
It would be a pleasant surprise though.
That last part surprises me too... that Dish would approve release of information for an article before they issued their own public statement. Rumors and leaks are one thing.. but usually companies have an announcement time where they make their official release statement... and do not approve other publicity prior to that.
In any event... I'm still hoping the price for the external drive fee drops by the time they announce the feature... but appreciate the scoop on the info.
There is always wishful thinking. It's probably better to stay in denial.
Certainly a lot less depressing than looking at a $40 "feature fee".
Thanks for dropping by Chris to clarify your article and how your information was obtained. Much appreciated. Ofcourse we will have to wait until these features appear, but very well done article and based on how your information was obtained it adds a lot of crediability to the information in my eyes. Kudos!
Thanks. Didn't know when I wrote it that it would cause such a stir but I'll tell you this - hearing about the HD service upgrades (new channels), the 622 and 722 PVRs with *three* built-in tuners, and the external hard drive support got me pretty excited about checking out DISH Network. The DISH guy is coming next Thursday to hook this strictly-over-the-air-HD guy up with satellite TV... I may never leave the house again.
Cool.. Would really be interested in hearing your thoughts after you have had some time to play with it. If you run into things that don't not make sense, we have an excellent support forum with some good stickies at the top to help the first time user. Personally I really like my 622s and find them to meet my needs big time. IT appears that over the next 6 months things are going to get a lot more exciting and I am personally looking forward to it. Lots of exciting things on the horizon for sure.
I wonder if you can share the recorded shows between receivers in the same household, whether that means if we need to do a hardware box swapout we can transfer all our shows onto the external drive, then reload them back into the replacement unit.
It sounds like the transfer feature is only one-way, from the reciever to the external drive.
In the article it says:
# Q: With the upgrade, can you record directly onto the external HDD?
A: No, recordings can be made to the internal HDD only, then may be moved to the external HDD. Recordings can be played back directly from an external HDD or transferred from external HDD to internal HDD.
So according to the article you can transfer back to the internal HDD.
Yes, two-way and shareable among different receivers in the same household. You can't "copy" programs around, you can only move them from device to device (program exists only in one place at a time). And, again, only within the same account/household.
So you can move them from the internal HDD of a 622 in one room to the eHDD, then connect that eHDD to a 722 in another room and either a.) watch it directly from the eHDD or b.)transfer it over to the internal HDD of the 722 and watch it there.
Or if you upgrade from a 622 to a 722, you can dump everything off the 622 to the eHDD and onto the 722 for an easy upgrade (that's the theory anyway). I plan to test that some time on or after August 15th.