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External Hard Drive Advice

Discussion in 'ViP612/622/722/722K DVR Support Forum' started by Don M, Aug 14, 2007.

  1. lenny

    lenny Cool Member/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    OK, I didn't think it was since I didn't see my configuration of a Bytecc ME-747SATACOMBO enclosure with a WD 750GB drive. I do understand you may not want to put every iteration of self built drives but that may help someone that is interested in building their own drive using that enclosure.

    Thanks for taking the time to keep the list updated. I know it's helping many people.

    Lenny
     
  2. HobbyTalk

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    Trying to keep track of every enclosure.drive combination would be pretty hard to do so I am just sticking with complete drives.
     
  3. lenny

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    Totally understand. Since there isn't that many enclosure companies maybe you can think about just placing the enclosures in the list. But, then again most people will not want to build their own drives since they would be uncomfortable with doing that so you're probably right.

    Lenny
     
  4. ggulch

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    Fry's has a Maxtor 500 USB/Firewire drive in their ad this weekend for $117. Interestingly, the box lists a 5 year "limited" warranty. I guess the Seagate influence is beginning to show.

    Be careful to get the correct box if you want both interfaces, which I do. I had to ask about them at the Fry's in Arlington (TX) this morning, but didn't check the box before checking out. Didn't notice that the one I got was USB only until we got home (150 miles SE), so I guess I'm driving to Austin tomorrow after work to exchange it. I think I'll call to make sure they have some down there before I make that 80 mile round trip.

    Ron
     
  5. DoyleS

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    Ron,
    Save yourself the drive to Austin.
    Not sure why you would want the Firewire interface. The 622 will format the drive with its own unique format and it will not be useable by a PC or Mac via the firewire interface. The drive pretty much needs to be dedicated for use by the 622.

    ..Doyle
     
  6. TBoneit

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    Plus my take on the people having problems is that in the main they are the ones that bought EHDs with more than just USB and/or that the drive is SATA. I bought the cheapest WD EHDs and no problem. I have a bunch of Generic EHD cases that can take up to 320Gb and they work OK too. The Generic cases I have a bunch of are USB2, 5.25"/3.5"plastic. I like them because the power supply is built in and uses a standard PC power cable and they have a cooling fan unlike the 3.5" only generics.
     
  7. ggulch

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    Doyle,

    I wasn't planning on using it with a 622, rather to facilitate moving large numbers of video files quickly between several CPUs I have.

    In any case it turns out that the ad in the Dallas paper was incorrect in stating that this model was USB & Firewire. They did have the 750 for $180, but I didn't want to spend that much. I found out about the lack of F/W on the 500 when I called the Austin Frys yesterday, so we'll just wait until this weekend to return it.

    Another thing I doubt a lot of folks are thinking about, or may not be aware of, is the fact that drives often don't react well to sitting unused for extended periods of time. The drive motors can develop stiction and don't want to spin back up. It'll be interesting to see if this becomes a problem for folks swapping between several drives. However, until HiDef recorders and media become available and reasonably priced, they may be our only option if we want to retain true HiDef programming.

    FWIW,
    Ron
     
  8. rdopso

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    I called Dish this morning to activate my new external HDD and to also determine what to do about the fact that the HDMI port on my 622 abruptly quit working yesterday. I talked at length with a woman at Dish who was exceptionally helpful and was able to answer all my many questions, and with little discussion authorized sending me a new 622. She activated my external HDD and assured me if I backed up all my currently recorded programs to the new external HDD I would be able to use that HDD to restore them to, or view them with, the new 622. I was concerned that connecting the external HDD to the new 622 would result in a reformat of the USB drive, but she assured me that reformtting of an external drive is not required until after four transfers to other Dish receivers. I had not seen that specified in this forum, and was a bit reluctant to accept it at first, but she assured me it was correct.

    I quickly installed the new SeaGate FreeAgent Desktop USB 500-GB drive (this is a USB only drive) and transfered my 622 recorded programs to it with no trouble. I ran a couple of the programs to check that they would run properly -- they did, and all remote operations functioned properly as well. Others have reported that the SeaGate FreeAgent Pro drives had to have a hibernation or auto shutdown feature disable to get them to work correctly with the 622. The FreeAgent Deskop version apparently does not have the auto shutdown or hibernation mode and one only needs to plug in the power cord and the USB cable to initiate formating and setup of the dirve. Mine seems to work perfectly.:)
     
  9. rdopso

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    I spoke too soon about the SeaGate external drive. After viewing more programs archived to the SeaGate externall HDD, I quickly determined that drive has the same problems reported by others for the SeaGate FreeAgent Pro. I quickly swapped it out for my old trusty Western Digital 500 GB WDGIC500N external USB/Firewire drive. It throws out an error message upon startup stating it is not a USB drive supported by the 622, but it nonetheless works perfectly with the 622 and shows none of the problems of the SeaGate FreeAgent series.
     
  10. Nov 9, 2007 #130 of 180
    RickPas

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    I am looking at the WD 750 External HD about how many hours of High Definition will I get on the 750 hd...I was in Target reading the box and it said something like 38 hours of Standard recording, this doesn't seem right, that would not give me probably more than 10 hours of HD recording time on the External drive...I think the 622's drive gives 30 hours if I'm not wrong..
    THanks for the help.
    Rick
     
  11. JCN

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    On the AVS site a couple of people have said that a 1TB drive works fine.
     
  12. phrelin

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    We have a WD MyBook Essential 750GB. It's tough to tell because every show seems to be different in how much info is in the feed, but it appears it will hold about 100 HD movies of average length (maybe 180+ hours). I can tell you I have over 40 hours on it right now.

    Hooked up easy, activated easily. Be sure to avoid the drive that has the extra bells and whistles, like the next level up from the Essential in the MyBook line.
     
  13. HarveyLA

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    The spin-down problem with the Seagate Freeagent may have been fixed, but not the other problems that have been documented by others.

    I disconnected my new Seagate Freeagent 500 GB (not the Pro model) from Dish about a month ago. It was unusable. I could not reformat the Seagate to use as a backup for my computer (PC running windows XP)."My Computer" would not recognize the drive when I connected it, so I could not reformat it. And I could not find any function on the Dish menu to wipe the Dish formatting. Anyone have any suggestions on this?

    I just hooked it up to my VIP622 again (now have L447 software) and found that the Seagate does spin up automatically now, when you try to access a program on the external drive. I left it overnight and tried again, and confirmed this. So it is semi-usable.

    However, stop and pause still do not function as they should. You can exit a program by going to "view Live TV." The place in the program where I stopped was not saved, so I could not resume viewing at that spot at a later time. I was able to transfer a program from the Seagate back to the Dish HDD, but the Seagate version remained. I was then able to manually delete the program from the Seagate- at least it looked like it was deleted.

    I guess it would be asking too much to expect Dish to notify their customers about this problem, and indicate when and if it will be completely fixed. They did say (before taking our money) that the new feature would work with any external HDD, didn't they?
     
  14. phrelin

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    You made me take a little harder look. Actually, I have 54 titles recorded, including 7 SD. The HD is 61 hours 17 minutes, 228.36 GB.
     
  15. TBoneit

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    No as I remember it they did not say with any External HDD. I believe the phrase they used was any good quality EHD.

    I've had no problems with my Western Digitals at all. I suspect something in the way the Seagate is designed. Maybe some kind of caching software function or some such that works well on a computer but not the 622.

    I suspect that many would like to have a drive that they can move the content to, then move it back and still have it on the EHD as a backup. If I want to do that then I have to do two recordings and move one to the EHD.
     
  16. Jim148

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    With Black Friday right around the corner, is anyone here interested in having a Black Friday External Hard Drive Price Watch? I found this http://bfads.net/Search/750GB/all+all+all/ for the
    Western Digital 750GB Internal SATA Desktop Hard Drive $199.99. It looks like that is a reasonable price, but I'll bet someone can do better.
     
  17. HarveyLA

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    is anyone using the LaCie 500 GB with VIP 622? Any problems?
     
  18. SaltiDawg

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    Is there any problem with using two 500Mb drives rather than one 750 Mb drive at roughly the same cost? Can I not simply swap the 500 mB drives in and out as desired? Can I have one 500 Mb simultaneously mounted on two different 622's? Interchange them (the 500Mb drives) as desired?
     
  19. BobaBird

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    You can swap as many drives as you like on the same 622.

    A drive can be moved between receivers only 3 times before it gets locked to one. Dish will eventually lift that restriction by adding an account key.
     
  20. audiomaster

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    You will have to move fast on this one. I just got a 500gig Maxtor :) OneTouch USB only at Staples for $119.98 less a 40.00 mail-in rebate. I think this is good on-line as well but only till the end of 11-23.:)
     

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