Since I called someone one too many times on his multiple fabrications I have been perma-banned from that "other" site. The following was posted there by someone who never lets facts get in the way of a good Echostar bash when fabrications and exaggerations work just as well: "The problem, Bob, is that both providers were given the same amount of notice regarding the requirements. They both knew that come 1/1 they would face this problem. DirecTV ordered their spot beam satellite in January - just a few weeks after the law was enacted, but Dish waited until July." Echostar press release dated Feb 5 which talks about Echostar 7 "being designed and manufactured by Lockheed Martin Commercial Space Systems": www.corporate-ir.net/irey..._id=149871 It just makes no sense to me that "people" continue to post fiction, fabrications, and exaggerations about topics that are so easy to PROVE as fiction, fabrucation and exaggeration. It must make them feel important or relevant in some way. I just don't get it.