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FCC Public Notice regarding DTV Delay

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by Tom Robertson, Feb 4, 2009.

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  1. Feb 9, 2009 #181 of 243
    James Long

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    The general rule is to provide equal bandwidth. If all the channels are carried in SD then they are getting equal bandwidth. If four get HD treatment and other HD channels don't then there is a problem. There are many factors involved, for example stations that refuse to allow carriage of their HD signals because they want more money. If stations don't have a HD feed then there is no need to carry that station in HD.

    The phasing in will take a few years (otherwise there would be no new HD locals until every market with HD locals had all of their HD locals ... which could lead to markets losing all locals if that were enforced). For now what DISH and DirecTV is doing is legal.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2009 #182 of 243
    BattleScott

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    The entire transition only affects OTA users and the stations that send the signals. Assuming the 7% figure for OTA usage to be accurate, how exactly are the other 93% impacted?
     
  3. Feb 9, 2009 #183 of 243
    Kansas Zephyr

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    Some cable head-ends, in outlying areas, may receive better digital signals (better stability) after the analog cut-off, as the stations can then ramp-up to full power on their final channel assignment.

    So, not just OTA users can see benefits. Not every cable system uses a fiber feed, or is close to the transmitters for OTA pickup.
     
  4. Feb 9, 2009 #184 of 243
    lwilli201

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    Am I wrong or is there an ALL or NONE phenomenon going on here. No station want to lose the not ready viewers to their competitors so to keep the status quo, if some do not switch off analogue, none do. This is probably not happening in EVERY DMA but it appears to happening in some. 2 Kansas City stations submitted their shut off paperwork on 2/3 Feb and both are not shutting down as far as I can determine. One station went all digital 15 Dec 08.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2009 #185 of 243
    Bobby H

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    Who claimed only 7% of the American public uses only over the air TV signals? According to the Nielsen numbers, 6% aren't ready. That ratio of prepared versus unprepared OTA users seems very strange.

    There is a significant number of HDTV owners who view HD channels over the air. This delay can negatively affect them over the issue of some TV stations not being able to go to full power and/or stay on temporary channel assignments until June. Being full power or not may make the difference between a viewer receiving the DTV signal or not.
     
  6. Feb 9, 2009 #186 of 243
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    +1

    So far all, of the stations here in Wichita are sticking to a 2/17 analog cut-off.

    But, if one caves, I'll think you'll see a domino-effect of delays, since nobody wants to be the "bad guy" and end early. Even if it costs a job, or two, to pay for the unbudgeted expense of continued analog operation.
     
  7. Feb 9, 2009 #187 of 243
    BattleScott

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    OK, so how does it affect the other 92.9%?
     
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    BattleScott

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    The poster I was responding to. Even if low, the figure is still not far off. Estimates from 2008 seemed to range anywhere for 6 to 15%. Not a sginficant chunk by either extreme.
    A great deal will also be negatively impacted by the switch when some of the stations they are currently receiving are suddenly gone due to changing frequencies.
     
  9. Feb 9, 2009 #189 of 243
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    You really think that only 0.01% of cable systems use an OTA pickup? You need to think about how many different cable systems can be in a single DMA.

    Which will be an issue whenever the end of analog arrives.
     
  10. Feb 9, 2009 #190 of 243
    robmadden1

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    So could there be a posability he may veto the bill?
     
  11. robmadden1

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    As of this time, President Obama has still not signed the DTV Delay bill. You can check the status of the bill at:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:S352:

    (Just a thought: Can you imagine the craziness that will occur if the president vetoes the bill?)
     
  12. samhevener

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    I have to admit I wasn't 100% correct on my points. It's bad that broadcasters are losing money because of the delay. I think almost everyone will gain a little from the delay. Not all stations are waiting until June 12th but some are. In the case of WKYC channel 3 in Cleveland the switch to digital is costing them plenty. They are switching to UHF channel 17 for digital from channel 2 at the present time. This change requires them to build a new transmission tower for a new UHF antenna. There is some question if the antenna and tower will be ready by June 12. Only time will tell. Until the antenna is ready they will be SD on channel 3 and low power DT on channel 2.
     
  13. Tom Robertson

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    I won't gain anything from the delay. I won't lose anything either, that I know of. But I've met people online who I sure hope don't lose their job or have to cover for someone else who does lose their job.

    All stations have had to spend money to switch. WKYC is one of those stations that chose to use two channel assignments along the way. A pre-transition channel, 17, followed by a post transition channel, 2. (Very strange set of channels. I'm surprised they didn't pick their original analog channel.)

    Anyway, the delay shouldn't make any difference for their digital operations. They apparently maximized their DTV facility before May 2000 so their UHF tower has long be operational, at full power, etc. And that DMA does not have a map indicating a significant change of coverage between their analog and digital facilities. Again, they chose the added cost of a dual DTV move. (Interesting history, they started as channel 4, then moved to 3, now moving to channel 2...) :)

    So WKYC will be like many stations, paying for extra energy costs during the delay. This all for the 3.71% who are not ready including 1.5% over 55 who aren't ready. So I'm not seeing how WKYC is helped at all.

    Cheers,
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    It is 0.1% not 0.01%. In terms of only those operators who would see a significant improvement in their ability to receive OTA signals due to analog cutoff and the total customers they serve, I'd guess it's a pretty close figure. I'll even go to 1.0%, still insignificant.

    Exactly, my point is that many OTA viewers will be trading one set of issues for another, so the delay is not really going to harm them.

    Overall, the bottom line (and my only real point here) is that while certainly a very small percentage of "Digital Ready" viewers in selected markets are being negatively impacted by the delay, the overwhelming majority are not affected by it.
     
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    This was my concern. If Obama decides to veto this bill (highly unlikely), we are back to the next Tuesday.
    Many stations jumped the gun and immediately begun promoting the new date. Personally, I would like to see him veto the bill and not just because it was a dumb idea to start with but also to teach these stations who decided to jump the gun and put the cart before the horse..
     
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    Question: Can the FCC still enforce the 2/9 deadline for filing intent to shut off analog on the 17th when it's now the 10th and apparently the delay still isn't signed into law?
     
  17. James Long

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    The FCC set the deadline. It is their deadline to enforce. Nothing in the law required stations to file intent by a specific date. The date is just part of the FCC's managing of the situation.
     
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    I hope Obama vetos the bill!
     
  19. SParker

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    Every public forum I've read so far seems like a 95/5 against a deadline extension. So the public have spoken.
     
  20. James Long

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    The country is 95/5 ready. And yet Congress still spoke. :(
     
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