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FCC Public Notice regarding DTV Delay

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by Tom Robertson, Feb 4, 2009.

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  1. Feb 7, 2009 #141 of 243

    tnsprin Hall Of Fame

    Mar 15, 2003
    True until the bill is actually signed. Of course everyone expects it to be signed.
  2. Feb 7, 2009 #142 of 243

    deanconst96 AllStar

    Jul 15, 2008
    People wanted change so here we go. Hang on!
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    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    Exactly - it's about BUSINESS competitive advantage through whatever means necessary.
  4. Feb 7, 2009 #144 of 243

    zman977 Godfather

    Nov 8, 2003
    I left my comment on why the date should not be changed. I just wish the comment section gave you more space to type. I had to keep it to one reason when I can think of many reasons why it should not be changed.
  5. Feb 7, 2009 #145 of 243

    jhillestad Godfather

    Jan 13, 2007
    Why dont they just cancel it all together and we will try again later.... sorta like a do over.... Maybe 4 years from now since the current climate is to whine about everything lets just call it a day.... if dtv transition was a blackberry it would have not been moved but its just tv so it can wait.... blah blah blah ... sad the greatest thing to happen to tv since color has to be delayed....
  6. Feb 7, 2009 #146 of 243

    robmadden1 Legend

    Nov 2, 2008
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    sarhaynes AllStar

    Dec 10, 2006
    I have confirmed that the Gray Communication Stations in Charlottesville are continuing with switch even though they are either Class A or Low Power and weren't even covered under the original transition.

    Here is the link: http://www.charlottesvillenewsplex.tv/home/headlines/39111297.html

    This means all commercial stations in this market will transition and we finally get High-Definition on CBS, ABC, and Fox!
  8. Feb 7, 2009 #148 of 243
    Bobby H

    Bobby H Legend

    Mar 23, 2008
    The trouble is there's no going back and starting over from square one. Once you pop the cork on a bottle of champagne and pour it into a bunch of glasses it's more than just difficult to undo that and end up with a perfectly unopened bottle.

    Frankly, I find it pretty outrageous that anyone in the FCC or government moved for a delay at this very late point. It would not have been such a stupid move if the FCC had brought up this problem a few months ago instead of less than a month before deadline.

    As it stands, if the President signs the delay into law on Monday he will be doing so only a mere 8 days from the Feb. 17 deadline. That's just crazy. TV stations, telecommunications companies and many other parties have had plans in motion for YEARS. And those plans were designed to lead up to Feb. 17. Not June 12.

    Four months of delay could literally add up to hundreds of millions of dollars or even more in lost money. That's also going to equal more than a few people in the TV and telecom industries losing their jobs to make up for that lost money. I think someone losing their job is a little more important than someone else losing their obsolete TV reception.

    The vast majority of the American public is ready for the DTV change. They're tired of seeing the endless warning crawls running underneath the news or other shows. They get it already. The 5% or so of the holdouts just need to be shown their foot dragging isn't going to stop progress for the 95% of the rest of us. Throw the switch already!
  9. Feb 8, 2009 #149 of 243

    samhevener Godfather

    Feb 23, 2006
    Reading all the comments in these threads one would think it's the end of the world. The end of the world is when you lose your job, your health insurance and your house. There is a lot more of that today going on today than analog TV stations staying on the air an extra 4 months or so. Six months from now this whole delay will be forgotten but Americans will still be losing their jobs, their health insurance and their homes.
  10. Feb 8, 2009 #150 of 243

    SamC Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2003
    Your "predictions" are nice, an irrelevant, to my being right or wrong. I was explaining the law as it now exists. The law makes NO provision for an analog shut down for LPTV and NO provision for them "voluntarily" doing so. If an LPTV wanted to switch to digital, there is not even a form for it to fill out to ask permission to do so.

    An entirely new law, with the accompanying give and take and riders providing for whatever, would be necessary. It might pass next Tuesday, or in 2050, or never.
  11. Feb 8, 2009 #151 of 243

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

    Mar 22, 2004
    Well, Sam, for once I agree with you! However, understand this: just because some people don't watch or understand the PSA's about the DTV transition or don't read the newspaper or access the Internet, that's no reason to delay the transition. Well meaning folks at Consumer's Union, the Congress and the president pushed the delay, thinking it would help. If you look at the Nielsen map, you'll see that the majority of people who have not prepared are in the 18 - 35 age group! While some of them may be poor, they certainly are not elderly.
    I applaud those stations that are switching on the original scheduled date.
  12. Feb 8, 2009 #152 of 243
    no static at all

    no static at all Cool Member

    Jan 17, 2009
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    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    I don't fear on behalf of me. Remember the cost of dual illumination is $10k per month, more or less. That's 2-5 people's jobs. Real people. Per station.

  14. Feb 8, 2009 #154 of 243

    jpl Hall Of Fame

    Jul 9, 2006
    Not to mention that, given the current economic climate, most of these stations aren't exactly swimming in cash. This is an unneeded expense on these stations - I wonder if any go under as a result of this nonsense. That's really what bugs me about this - because there are a handful of hold-outs, companies have to sacrifice tens of thousands of dollars... because a handful of people couldn't get their act together, we're going to slam the TV stations that provide the programming that these same people believe is their right to receive. Yeah, I feel for some of these people, but as many on here have already pointed out, it's not the elderly that are the biggest hold-outs. We keep hearing about hypothetical examples - of elderly people stuck without getting their TV programming. The data contradicts that - the hold-outs are predominantly in the group that are best able to handle this transition. Talk about irony. In terms of being able to buy their own converter boxes, and understanding the technology just fine, the group that's most responsible for this hold up are probably the ones best able to handle it.
  15. Feb 8, 2009 #155 of 243
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    If you're working for a TV station that is being forced to keep an expensive analog transmitter on the air for four more months and has to trim staff to balance the books that can be the loss of job, health insurance, etc.

    Overall the extension of analog service is probably not the end of the world. The way it is being done with stations potentially not being allowed to shut down is not acceptable.
  16. Feb 8, 2009 #156 of 243
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    No form?

    Some LPs have filed for a digital flash cut. One of my locals got a CP for digital flash cut that expires March 17th, 2009. If they flash cut the analog will be gone and the digital will be their only signal. There are a lot of LPs that have already done their digital flash cuts and are ATSC only.

    For stations that are operating LD digital companion channels all they have to do is file a silent notification on their LP channel and cease operations.

    Sorry Sam, but there ARE provisions in the law for LPs to turn off analog. Just no unified deadline for when they MUST cease analog broadcasting.
  17. Feb 8, 2009 #157 of 243

    Link Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2004
    There is no sense in delaying this after so much time and effort has been made on advertising the February 17, 2009 analog shut off date. Television stations have gone to great expenses to have a digital transmitter in place. People won't be anymore ready in June than they are now. If they are going to make this change, just do it already without delay. Some broadcasters have been broadcasting a digital signal for 10 years now. In our area, the problem hasn't been these silly coupons but has been the ability to find the converter boxes. Everytime Wal-Mart gets them in, they sell out quickly. I don't see why they cost $50-$60 to begin with.

    The bottomline is that most people receiving over the air stations only, likely have already taken steps to make sure they receive the digital channels...if not they probably won't do anything until their signal goes out.
  18. Feb 8, 2009 #158 of 243
    Bobby H

    Bobby H Legend

    Mar 23, 2008
    There's also another very critical factor to consider regarding those LP analog stations:

    TV manufacturers will stop including analog tuners in new TV sets. Count on it happening very soon, if it isn't happening already in some cases. Eventually, years from now, people will just have digital-only TV hardware with no analog tuning capability.

    TV manufacturers will be able to save a certain amount of money by not including analog tuners in new HDTV sets. That will equal either more profit on the TV set or being able to lower the price a bit. I think we'll see a lot of TV sets lacking analog tuners showing up on store shelves probably at least by late summer of this year.
  19. Feb 8, 2009 #159 of 243

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Does this mean another converter box coupon program? :)
  20. Feb 8, 2009 #160 of 243

    SamC Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2003
    Once again,

    From the still switching to digital as it should in February NBC station in my market's website (16 is its LPTV repeater):

    2. Will this analog channel 16 convert to digital by February 17, 2009?
    Currently WSAZ has no plan to convert analog channel 16 to digital. We will continue to broadcast in analog until required to change by the FCC.

    There is nothing about a digital conversion relative to LPTV. It probably will continue for decades.
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