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Feb. 17 DTV Date May Have To Move

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by kocuba, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. ercjncprdtv

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    I live in a 55+ mobile home park where the average age is around 70 or so. I would say that 75% of the rooftops in the park have a sat dish.
     
  2. Mark Holtz

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    Here we go. Today at noon (local time) in Hawaii is the "Big Switch". That's when the analog transmitters get turned off and the State of Hawaii goes all digital.

    We'll see what happens. They can't nightlight this because of where the transmitters are located. They had to move up one month so that they can dismantle the transmitters prior to a endangered bird's nesting season.
     
  3. skyboysea

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    My elderly mother in law who, because of a stroke, has a very hard time understanding new things got the message that something needed to be done so she can continue to watch tv. If the message got through her many months ago, I believe there is no excuse for other people.
     
  4. scooper

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    And you were the good son-in-law and made sure she is ready, right ?

    I did the same for my not-so-infirmed mother-in-law - since I knew what little TV she did watch was OTA, I made sure that right up front, when the coupon program was starting up, that she knew exactly what she needed to do. Conversely, my mother is on cable, and when she asked about needing a coupon box, I told her that she did not need one, that her cable company should take care of their subscribers.

    This is what people should be doing.
     
  5. BenJF3

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    Going through this thread, I want to mention what some are doing with LP signals. In my market, there is only one LP station. I got talking with the station manager to ask what was going to become of it because they were facing a virtually total loss of viewership. I explained that if everyone get a digital converter (sans analog passthrough) they most likely would stop seeing this channel altogether as many even with an analog passthrough won't bother to switch back and forth. I suggested a simple solution. Since they own a full power affiliate and operate another, why not add the LP signal as a digital subchannel. So, this is being worked on. It was a good compromise because it keeps that network programming available. There is plenty of space in the spectrum that this could have been done in virtually all markets. Of course the subchannel is going to be SD, but the fact is that hardly any (if any) LP stations are broadcasting HD anyway.
     
  6. Kansas Zephyr

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    Sorry! Yes, you can.

    The analog cut-off was changed from the original plan, based on the percentage of homes in a market capable of receiving OTA digital (minimizing the confusion, and need for converter boxes, etc.), to the hard date by Congress to get the money now.

    If the deadline were later, as digital and HD equipment becomes less expensive, local stations would feel less of a financial pinch to transition.

    Don't get me wrong. I think it's too late to stop now. The dominoes are falling, and stopping them would be huge issue. Plus there are only an estimated 7% of households that still need to get a converter box. A 93% success rate is pretty darn impressive, considering the scope of what's happening.
     
  7. Tom Robertson

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    Well... sorta. The date also shifted a couple years from 2006 to 2009. And the requirement to only be 85% was dropped in favor of helping people out and trying to get to above 95%.

    So... sounds to me like the government helped us on that aspect. (Now, would have been nice if the coupons would last more than 90 days, they were more prepared for more coupons, etc....)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  8. BenJF3

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    Actually one main reasons for the delay was the fact that there was no real supply of converter boxes for the market at the time. There just wasn't going to be enough to meet demand and some of the early boxes which are still on the market are total garbage like the Magnavox. The fact that WalMart carries that box in and of itself is a huge problem.
     
  9. Tom Robertson

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    Part of the "why weren't there converter boxes" is there wasn't a hard date in each area. Now there is, so manufacturers had a target to sell into.
     
  10. Kansas Zephyr

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    The original 85% rule was that households be able to directly receive digital OTA (thinking that the NTSC/ATSC tuners would have been standard long before they needed regulation to mandate it). Not, the current thinking that includes those that can't use digital OTA, but have cable or satellite to provide analog to them.
     
  11. Tom Robertson

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    As I recall, there was some ambiguity in the wording of the 85% rule that lead to the shift in thinking.

    Anyway, we're here, it will be done anon, and we'll be talking about the next big thing. :)
     
  12. James Long

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    Too many chickens and eggs. Do you really think we would be at 93% today if it wasn't for the past year of high pressure and a HARD guaranteed deadline?

    Stations would be putting off converting due to lack of viewership ... viewers would be putting off converting due to lack of stations to view ... the chickens and the eggs would follow each other into infinity. Some stations would be proactive and push their way into digital but not all.

    Waiting for the market would be like the conversion to HD radio or the metric system. No hard deadline means no conversion. HD radio is a toy and the metric system is still years away from being a US followed standard. If you want to get something done you set a date and do your best to meet it.

    The hard date that manufacturers MISSED was the beginning of sales of converter boxes. The day the first coupon was mailed the boxes needed to be in the stores. I was one of those good people who got my coupons early (first day signup) and I ended up settling for what was available the day before the coupons expired because many manufacturers didn't have a product in the marketplace.

    Hopefully manufacturers are set up to sell through at least April (preferably longer) and have not assumed that box sales will end on February 18th.
     
  13. Kansas Zephyr

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    +1

    The deadline is looming...let's just get it over with! :)

    Then we can kill any remaining bugs.
     
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    The next thing all stations need to start working on is getting everything on there channels shows, local programming, local news etc converted to HD. People everywhere in the United States have had more than enough Ample Time to either A. Get a Converter Box for their current Sets or B. Buy a new and better Digital HD Television set with a Digital Tuner. February 17th 2009 won't be put off this time. The Digital Switchover is a go.
     
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    You are apparently not familiar with the U.S. Congress. :lol:
    I really hope it's not delayed but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
  16. BenJF3

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    Truth is it really won't affect me either way. Even if I go to an OTA option everything here is digital. The people who REALLY want this left alone are the local station engineers (at least the one I know). They are prepped and ready to go and one station is all set to move it's transmitter site, but delaying the transition will totally screw up their schedule. Bottom line: they just want it done and over with!
     
  17. Sirshagg

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    I can't say that it will really affect me either but...

    It's sort of like the election last year - I JUST WANT TO STOP HEARING ABOUT IT ALREADY! :)
     
  18. Kansas Zephyr

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    The enormous cost currently involved with a 100% HD facility are so staggering that the medium and smaller markets, plus stations owned by heavily leveraged companies, may take a decade, or longer, for all of the local programming to be 100% HD.
     
  19. scooper

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    Not only for smaller markets, but smaller stations in larger markets.

    Our local NBC does pass on network HDTV, but just about everything else looks to be upconverted SDTV - local news, syndicated, national news, commercials, etc.

    Even on our big HDTV leaders (that do most things in HDTV), some of those issues exist - especially commercials.

    And it costs a LARGE fortune to have a completely HD station / facilities.
     
  20. lwilli201

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    Congress will have to get together :lol: and pass legislation to extend the cut off date. Instead of that, just authorize more money to the BOX fund now. That will have to be done eventually. Delay would be a bad move IMO.
     
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