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Feb. 17 DTV Date May Have To Move

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by kocuba, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. Dave

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    On Friday Sen. Jay Rockefeller introduced legislation to move back the switchover date to June 12, 2009. He is going to push real hard to do this for Pres Obama. I would say the odds are very very good that this will happen at this time. The government created part of the problem by telling people they are out of the coupons and they will be placed on a waiting list. I would imagine they got a number of calls from voters complaining. The Gov is also going to have to put more money in the fund for coupons.
     
  2. Doug Brott

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    Apparently Rockefeller didn't actually follow through with submitting the legislation just yet .. http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1964147#post1964147 .. maybe one day this week or maybe he'll decide not to.
     
  3. scooper

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    More money for coupons - yes. Delaying the date - no. I have expressed such to my Senators and representative.
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    I remember there was a test-market last year (Wilmington, NC) that went all-digital before the deadline. I'm guessing there were no panic attacks, and I don't recall any huge movement by the government to ensure everyone there had a digital converter before the cutover.

    So why the panic now?

    To be blunt, this whole thing is silly. The date has been known for years now. People who aren't ready now won't be ready in a couple of months because they are either procrastinators OR don't get the word. If they don't get the word, they aren't getting this word now either!

    As much as I love TV, no one owes TV to me. I pay for my Dish subscription, so I guess they owe me TV :) But the government most certainly does not owe me TV.
     
  5. HIPAR

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    Because Wilmington NC and Hawaii and the other places that are mostly digital are not New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia.

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  6. HIPAR

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    By the time congress acts, It will be too late to get the coupons out by Feb 17. I helped an elderly friend apply for his coupons back in September. They arrived about a month later.

    Actually, as James Long suggested, at this moment more money isn't needed as a huge percentage of those coupons already issued will not be redeemed. A loan to the coupon program is more in line with reality.

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  7. James Long

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    It looks like the bill is "at the desk" but has yet to be "submitted"? I'm wondering if it is being held while they work out the details of an agreement between the political parties. Better to introduce a bill that CAN be accepted for Unanimous Consent.

    Hopefully something with no date change at all. :)
     
  8. James Long

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    In the most populated areas of those DMAs there are less likely to be problems. Availability of cable, especially lifeline cable offerings, and proximity to transmitter sites should help. Those people who will have problems in those major DMAs will have the same problems in June. What is the difference?

    The coupons that have actually expired have been reissued to others. The government would have run out of coupon money a long time ago if they didn't expire.
     
  9. Stuart Sweet

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    I stand with my friends and fellows, Tom and Doug. Enough is enough. It's time to move to the next level. It may be difficult but it is time to take that step. Period.
     
  10. HIPAR

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    I didn't want to say this directly but these DMA places are where you will find the greatest concentrations of persons that will, for socioeconomic reasons, have the most difficulty with the transition.

    From a politician's standpoint it's better to postpone a backlash from those who voted for you overwhelming if more time might make a difference.

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  11. Tom Robertson

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    On the other hand, the sooner you get done with people being mad at you, the more time you have to make them happier with you again. :)

    I keep thinking that people deep in major metropolitan areas will be able to use their existing antenna systems or similar in a few minutes. It's the people who live in the fringe reception areas that will have "real" problems with signals.

    And I find it hard to justify delaying for lack of coupons/converters. Heck, I bet the stations themselves could fund a lot of converters just on the power savings alone. (And would make a huge marketing campaign.) :)

    Cheers,
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  12. James Long

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    That is a big IF. Will 120 more days make a difference? A more liberal coupon policy, unexpiring unused coupons or offering a rebate of some form to allow people to buy now and get their rebate later will help. Delaying the transition date WILL NOT help.

    Unless the new law REQUIRES broadcasters to continue to broadcast in analog. Something that is not REQUIRED. The law REQUIRES that the FCC ends full power analog broadcasting BY February 18th. Nightlight service allows and encourages approved analog stations to continue until March 19th with emergency programming only. Allows but not requires.

    There is nothing in the LAW that prevents the FCC from ordering the shutdown of analog on February 1st. Unless the new law REQUIRES analog broadcasting continue that status doesn't change.

    We're 30 days from analog shutdown ... just about four weeks. Some people need help converting. Give them that help. A delay will not help them. They will STILL lose their analog locals ... just on a channel by channel basis as stations choose to turn off their analogs.

    Extended nightlight service beyond March 19th for emergencies? Maybe. But there is no "emergency" that requires Oprah or Heroes be delivered to US homes.
     
  13. James Long

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    It isn't a savings unless it was budgeted.

    Yes, a station could pay for converters instead of electricity. But they were already planning on saving that money by just turning off their transponders on schedule.

    If broadcasters were given the choice of required continued analog transmission or a tax to pay for converters? ... both are unfair choices. The problems with the conversion program are not their doing. Why should they pay?

    Over 93% of American homes have done the right thing and prepared themselves. Is it fair that there is any delay for a shrinking minority?
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    Was just comparing the cost of 4 more months vs. sooner.
     
  15. ercjncprdtv

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    That is the problem--all of a sudden, to some misguided politicians, it IS a big emergency! :rolleyes:
     
  16. Stewart Vernon

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    Think for a second...

    Anyone likely to be unprepared for this situation with all the advance warning is actually NOT likely to be a registered voter. Consider what it takes to be registered and go out and vote... those people are out in the world enough to have known about this and likely have the resources to have taken care of things already.

    People unable to afford the $40 converter box on their own and/or remain completely clueless as to the impending deadline are much more unlikely to get out and vote either.
     
  17. James Long

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    Thanks to ACORN they probably are registered and did vote ... even if they didn't know it. :D
    (And that's about all I can say about that without banning myself.)

    A lot can be done but step #1 is to get away from this silly "change the transition day" nonsense. Funding more coupons could be done by Unanimous Consent ... and those bills have been waiting since January 8th. They were just sent to committee to languish instead of action being taken. It is almost like they are trying to create a bigger emergency.

    30d 1hr 20min until it is against the law for a full power station to broadcast in analog (except nightlights).
    Let's keep it that way.
     
  18. James Long

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    On AVS a poster reported that he had written Senator Rockefeller ... I suggested that people write their own senator's and representatives. Here are my posts:
    Don't forget to contact your own senators (both of them) on this matter. They can't get Unanimous Consent if enough senators will object to this and object intelligently.

    The most effective approach is to contact YOUR Senator or Representative ... the one you actually get to vote for (or against) and be polite and specific about your state or stations in your representative's market. Don't overwhelm with details but explain how it affects the area they represent.

    Tell them what stations have already ceased or reduced analog broadcasting in your area. Tell them of the filed transition plans of your stations. Tell them what stations are waiting for February 17th. Make your best case, politely.

    We can only hope that sanity rules ... that has a better chance of happening if our congress critters are properly informed.​
    My emails are sent ... we can do more than just rant on the internet. :)
     
  19. SParker

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    I got a response back from my Republican Rep and he said he agreed with me that the original date should be honored. My 2 Democrat Senators haven't responded yet.
     
  20. leww37334

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    Why won't anyone consider the reasonable compromise. Which is, go ahead with the transition, use the coupon telephone hotline to identify problems and contract with best buy (or cheapest alternative) to go to people's houses to fix problems for low income viewers IF they occur.

    I'm starting to suspect that the DTV transition "disaster" is going to look like 1 Jan 2001 all over again, much ado about nothing.
     
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