Finally, a Skinny Bundle! ‘Don't Watch, Don't Pay' with DISH's New Flex Pack

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  1. Oct 8, 2016 #241 of 296
    mwdxer

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    I have no idea why Dish has not added BBC World to the AT250 package. If I want BBC World on Direct or Charter Cable, they are in the larger packages. A person does not have to change to a different smaller pack and then pay extra for adding it. Add to that if I want Flex pack I have to get a card from Dish. That is crazy. Then by the time I add most everything I want, with some channels missing, I will be paying the same I am now or maybe more. No thanks. I will stay with AT250, for now at least.
     
  2. tampa8

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    Apparently in her case the Flex Pack doesn't fulfill her needs as well. But I would say you are way off about the channels in the Flex Pack, it is 100% made up of most wanted channels, it's what makes it different than anyone else is offering. You happen to want locals and can't get the $5 Autopay discount apparently. That's your situation, for the vast majority they will pay $29.99 and may or may not get locals for a total of $39.99. Everything is a choice, if Animal Planet was the one channel preventing me from getting all the other ones in the Flex Pack I would do without it. But if it is a most watched channel that would make a difference.

    BTW TV land is in the Flex Pack so you are talking about one channel apparently, Animal Planet and locals needing an additional pack. It's all about choices, for her the choice that works is apparently the Smart Pack and Heartland. For alot of people it will be the Flex Pack if not the regular packages particularly if you are looking to save money and not pay for Sports but want most of the other Cable channels.
     
  3. mwdxer

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    As much as I would rather go to a smaller less expensive pack, I don't see any reason to switch from AT250 at this time, even though I do not like paying for all of the Sports channels. Maybe in the future there may be a pack that I would like to save money.
     
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  4. jsk

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    The nice thing about Netflix is that I can drop it for a few months and resubscribe at will.
     
  5. Keniff

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    (Off topic) So nothing has changed, that's been my experience with Dish for 15 years. Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I have never spoken with any rep that actually understands the full depth of what they are repping. They should make the field techs the sales reps too, because they often have not only installed, but also used the gear.

    Being in a rural area where no one cares to run cable to you for under 20K like me...TV life is like being stuck in a communist bloc country. I have two choices for TV...Dish...or another Dish, so I am stuck with that...or locals only OTA.

    (On topic) As far as Dish Flex? Please...these are just smaller "boxes" of selected channels. I still get 1 channel for every ten I pay for that I actually care to watch. I would gladly pay a larger bill and be able to select channels Ala-carte. I dont mind paying for what I watch...I mind paying for what I dont watch. I do understand a lot of this comes with stupid network and FCC stuff that is not Dish's fault...that doesn't change what my experience is though. Dish STILL cant provide local HD for me and I'm almost 3 years after my Hopper install.

    (Off Topic) My other beef with Dish is they ride on other backbones (internet) to provide their service. If I had the internet to do everything my Hopper with Sling is capable of...I might not even have Dish, but I would happily pay dish for a good internet service that they cant provide. Features have outpaced capabilities.
     
  6. mwdxer

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    Do you have high speed internet? If so, get a new a steaming device like a Roku. I spend more and more of my time watching TV on the Roku, where I do have many more choices. Many of the channels will never be on cable or satellite. Streaming has opened up a world that never used to exist. The best thing, is a lot of what is on the Roku is free. Also a Chromecast streaming stick, you can cast anything from Chrome on your computer to the TV.
     
  7. Keniff

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    Nope, that's part of my issues as I mentioned in my post above. We have no real internet but there is a wireless internet now advertising locally that says it will stream movies, but from Netflix recommendations, I'm not so sure how well...for the money at least.

    My speeds are great with cell tech 4G modems, but the data costs make using it for anything real like TV cost prohibitive.

    That's why I said in my post above that if I had real internet, I might not even have Dish. We watch any movies we want to schedule ourselves using Netflix snail mail Blu-Ray discs, which we are used to, and the quality of a Blu-Ray movie is actually superior to even HD streaming from what I have read. Of course we do get free-views and stuff from dish which are nice, but rarely a movie we are really looking for. Sometimes I'll record a movie running on free-view that I would not ordinarily put on our Netflix queue.

    I would be happy to pay-per-view all our movies through Dish but their prices are outrageous. I am not paying 4-5 bucks or more for a movie when I can get 6 or more movies a month for $15 in Blu-Ray from Netflix. We dont spend our entire life watching TV or movies so we dont mind the wait. We have plenty stashed on the DVR to watch in between Netflix stuff.

    Even with no decent internet, if not for the Hopper DVR and the multi-room joeys allowing me to access the entire DVR and resume in different rooms, etc., I would not have Dish today. They cant even provide me HD locals...the slackers...I have to OTA those and even at that, ABC wont come in so anything on ABC has to be crappy SD through my Dish.

    I'm thankful for Dish, but the cost is getting to a point where I would jump in a second for the first serious high speed/data service that comes around and put my Dish bill money toward that. We only watch maybe a dozen of the channels we get anyway...seeing as though I have to serve myself on locals, etc.
     
  8. mwdxer

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    There is always satellite, but depending on where you live, what kind of rain fade you would get. We never had high speed out here until a few years back, when Charter Cable offered it. I put up with 28.8 for years (If I was lucky), and I just got tired of it. Then I get a Roku, and the world changed for me.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2016 #249 of 296
    Michael P

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    Those pay their own way to be on E*, so no removing them would not reduce your bill. Having the shopping and religious channels actually reduces the cost of having satellite TV. You don't have to watch them, think off them as OTA stations you can receive but chose not to watch. As a matter of fact many of these channels are OTA in my area on low power and/or sub channels.

    Most of the grumbling is over one specific channel: BBC World News. Many have been waiting for years to receive it, as it's the only alternative to CNN / MSNBC / FOX News that is not owned by a former or current Communist country (RT & CCTV).
     
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  10. Nov 5, 2016 #250 of 296
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    I agree on the BBC World News. Even though I have alternate ways to see it now, not with Dish, I am still upset. It's not even in HD, yet we cannot get it.
     
  11. Nov 5, 2016 #251 of 296
    mwdxer

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    I feel the same way. Always in the past, new regular channel were put into AT250. I have no idea what Dish's logic is in making this change. Any provider always offers everything in the larger pack, Direct does as well as Charter Cable.
     
  12. Nov 6, 2016 #252 of 296
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    "There is always satellite".

    Unless you have these natural occurrences called "trees". Satellite is nowhere near as good as cell based internet 4G type tech and they still dont have unlimited packages. If I cant stream HD movies for a reasonable price whats the point the point of having 18 gigs or even 30 gigs? I pay basically $10 a gig, so yes, satellite would be a bit cheaper not considering hardware and setup, but I still have internet in a rain storm with 4G...and its fast. We are data disciplined from years of cell tech internet, we simply dont do any streaming, internet radio, netflix, you know...all the good stuff about the internet!

    Just like with the Dish flex pack, there is no perfect world, especially if you dont live in a city or wired suburbia. The U.S. government's "rural broadband initiative" has been a slow failure just like everything else they have done recently. At some point I hope wireless will blow satellite and cable away. You mentioned the Roku changing your life...you still need good internet for that I assume. It doesn't change the size of an HD content does it? It still burns internet.

    Back on subject: Is Dish and DirecTV going to survive in the city? It seems like the best customers they would have are people in the sticks with little choice like me, and at some point even we will have internet that could make Dish all but irrelevant, especially to the younger generations who are not stuck in the mindset of the cable/dish box and the remote.
     
  13. Nov 6, 2016 #253 of 296
    mwdxer

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    The change has happened. Sure, there will be many still on satellite or cable as that is their only reliable option(s), but as you said the cities will be different. The Comet, a popular diginet now streams. I get it OTA on 2.3, but the pq on the stream is sharper than OTA. The Comet is totally free. If a person wants it on the Roku, get Channel Pear and add it from there. This is only the beginning. Several OTA diginets are streaming now, more to be added soon.
     
  14. jgoggan

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    So -- I'm a little confused. Many of you are talking about seeing this on your account as an option, right? I can't seem to find it on mine. If I follow the link early in this thread to the Flex Plan info and click Buy Now, it takes me to the My Programming section of the Dish site for my account. I currently have the Top-120 package. For options, it lists these:

    Top-120 for $64.99 (with options for Heartland, Outdoor, and Latino)
    Smart Pack for $36.99 (with same options)
    Dish America for $49.99 (with same options)
    Top 120+
    Top 200
    Top 250
    Everything Pack

    I don't see the Flex Plan anywhere.

    What am I missing?

    (I currently have Top-120 with locals and a 722 DVR.)

    - John...
     
  15. James Long

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    One has to call to get the Flex Pack (or be a new customer). The online system does not allow you to change from the regular tiers to Flex Pack.
     
  16. jgoggan

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    Ok -- got ya. Thanks.

    When I do the dish.com pricing thing for Flex Pack when not logged in and pick the Flex Pack with locals and single-TV DVR, it gives me a price of $49.99 total. (They list it as $39.99 for "Flex Pack w/ DVR (includes eAutoPay savings)" and another $10 for the Locals Pack.)

    Anyone know what DVR model that includes at that price?
     
  17. James Long

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    Not without doing a credit check. I ran through the Flex Pack packages last year "logged out" and the receiver offered without paying an additional upgrade fee varied based on the credit level chosen (as well as the number of rooms).
     
  18. Troch2002

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    Not true, if you don't have receivers with G4 smart cards installed, the option will not show up on your account.

    Otherwise its available to all customers as a downgrade or Upgrade online.

    If you have VIP receivers with the G3 cards, than you must call Dish and the will send you the G4 cards at no cost.
     
  19. Troch2002

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    You need to call Dish and get a G4 smart card sent to you.
     
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    In your words, "not true". I have G4 smart cards and the Flex Pack does not show up as an option on my online account. So it comes back to what I wrote. Existing customers need to call DISH to get the packages.
     

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