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FiOS v. cable/DTV head to head

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tugboat, Aug 8, 2007.

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  1. Ed Campbell

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  2. HDTVFanAtic

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    Considering I spent over 30 hours of my time over 6 weeks on the phone with Directv for an install in Feb, what's your point? :rolleyes:

    We also know that D* is being sued for setting fire to a house as well....

    Seems they both have their issues - I only care about the end result.....not the journey getting there.

    Bottom line:

    TV Sub additions in the Second Quarter:

    FIOS 125,000 additions
    Directv 128,000 additions
    Dish 170,000 additions

    Directv and Dish have a national footprint covering 300 Million people. FIOS footprint covers 1% of that - 3 Million

    Think about it.
     
  3. JFHughes08088

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    Ahh, the true differentiator - Sunday Ticket
     
  4. captain_video

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    The Verizon tech came to my house today and replaced both the ONT (Optical Network Terminal or big box that mounts outside the house) and also a new router (my third). So far, my experience with the Verizon installers has been topnotch. The guys I've met are all professionals and really have their sh*t together. My guy even thought to polish the fiber cable just in case my problem was being caused by a dirty fingerprint, which I thought was a pretty smart move on his part. So far I have experienced zero dropouts since the installer left and my FIOS internet is finally going like gangbusters (knock on wood).
     
  5. spartanstew

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    Sincerely?

    Ding, ding.

    Exactly.

    I travel every week for work via the airlines. I guess the most cost effective way for me to do that would be to get my own plane and learn how to fly it, but that aint happening either.
     
  6. carlsbad_bolt_fan

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    Question for those who did go to FIOS-

    Can you record two HD feeds simultaneously? AT&T started selling their Uverse service here a little over a month ago. Their HD-DVR cannot record two HD streams because of bandwidth restrictions. According to AT&T, that feature won't be available until 2nd qtr of 2008.
     
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    Earl, you are way out of the loop my man. Blagojevich hates smokers and Comcast and proved it in June. He signed the Cable Competition Act allowing ATT to avoid local franchise agreements. U-verse will be available all over Chicagoland by March. It's fiber to the node, but nonetheless IPTV.
     
  8. MikeR

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    Maybe by 2009.:D
    Right now....U-verse looks like a very bad business decision:
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070302-8969.html
    http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/triple-play/att-uverse-doomed.asp
    http://text.broadbandreports.com/shownews/84769

    here's the FIOS DVR thread on AVS Forum

    and one for the Chicagolanders
     
  9. captain_video

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    Absolutely. You can even watch a third show that was previously recorded at the same time. It's no different than the DTivos and HDTivos in that regard.

    You're really mixing apples and oranges here. The cost of maintaining the plane, insurance, fuel, etc., would far outweigh the cost of just buying a round-trip ticket every week. You can build a starter HPTC for less than the current retail cost of a single series 3 Tivo. For the cost of a 3-year subscription to the Tivo service you can add a topnotch graphics card and probably an extra tuner. One of the things that tends to drive the price of an HTPC through the roof is adding an HTPC enclosure which can run you hundreds of dollars for a fancy box. If you want it to blend into a home theater setup then that's probably important to you but for starters you can get away with any inexpensive mid-tower case. Lots of people take their old Dell PCs or whatever and just upgrade them. The cost of a new mobo, CPU, and memory will run you about $300-400 or more, depending on how much horsepower you're looking for. I'd start with an AMD AM2 mobo with maybe an X2 3600+ processor and 1GB RAM, which can all be had for well under $300.
     
  10. spartanstew

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    And you're missing the point.

    The point isn't the cost feasibility. It's the ability. I can't do either.

    I have a hard enough time checking my Email and surfing the web. Build an HTPC? Might as well build a plane and learn how to fly it.


    Not everyone that enjoys DVR's (and Home Theater and TV's) is a geek.
     
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    It sounds like a lot of you think Fios is "all that" But I do not think D* or dish is going to lay down without a fight. as far as I am concerned the more competition there is the better off "we" the customer will benefit. I will go whereever I have the best programing equipment etc. for my particuliar circumstance and right now that is D*. I would not count D* out just yet
     
  12. captain_video

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    ... FYI - not everyone that builds PCs is a geek either. You don't have to be a techno-whiz kid to use a screwdriver or install software. It's more a matter of how much confidence you have in your own abilities to perform any given task. If you tell yourself you can't do it then you don't stand much of a chance at success.

    Those that can, do. Those that think they can't never try. Those that try and fail have learned a valuable lesson and will most likely succeed when they try again. I built my first PC just to see if I could, and I was anything but a geek in those days. Even if you don't believe you have the skills there are plenty of Mom and Pop PC stores that will build a PC to your specs for not a whole lot of money.

    DirecTV has made it quite clear that they're not just going to lie down and take it. As for Dish, who knows what's on Charlie's mind these days.:rolleyes: When the FIOS installer came to my house the other day I picked his brain about the direction FIOS was headed with regards to additional HD channels. He told me that there was a rumor that Verizon was looking to partner up with Mark Cuban who is reportedly putting together some sort of HD only service which I guess is something along the lines of a next generation Voom except that it is aimed at terrestrial service providers. I have no details on the matter but it sounds like FIOS may be in the process of beefing up their HD lineup to answer DirecTV's boast of having the most HD channels. I always thought that if DirecTV can get HD content from their providers then the same providers would most likely make their HD products available to other service providers as well. It just makes sense from a business view. I'd be really surprised if the new HD channels that DTV is bragging about don't start showing up on Verizon and Comcast's lineups in the very near future as well as other service providers.
     
  13. HDTVFanAtic

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    So to sum up again, FIOS will supply better pictures that are better 100% of the time (including their local area NFL teams) to 99.33% of the people in areas they serve and 0.66% of the people in those areas will keep worse quality pictures 100% of the time (including their local market NFL teams) so they can see out of market NFL teams.

    In my book (and clearly 99.3% of the general population), that's a pretty steep price to pay for less than 100 hours of out of market programming...watching crappier quality TV for the other 8,640 hours of the year.
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    I can build an HTPC but have no interest. I can utilize my time much more wisely these days :)
    I can lay fibre, but don't like the working conditions here in UT (100° summers and pretty cold winters) and my working on the line wouldn't get me FIOS any sooner. 10 years still would be 10 years (if that soon)
    I can play football (ok, maybe I can't really call what I can do "playing football" :)) so I'll stick to watching the Packers on DIRECTV.
    I can record two HD things at once, actually way more than 2 with all the DVRs I have. I'd hate to switch. Take too long to convince my cable company to give me 7 HD DVRs :)

    So, I'll stay with DIRECTV. And I understand why someone else might chose differently given their situation. Good on them, I don't blame them a bit; I support them actually.

    Cheers all, football is warming up!
    Tom
     
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    FIOS is totally different than AT&T - it has none of AT&T's bandwidth limitations, as AT&T is basically IPTV, not FTTH.

    FIOS is testing out 100Mbps Internet connections to the home......let us know when AT&T gets to 10% of that.
     
  16. spartanstew

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    Thanks for the insight into the human mind and spirit. None of that's really relevant though, because it's all about choices we make on what to do.

    Exactly. If I was able to teach myself how to build my Home Theater and all the cabinetry, I'm sure I could learn how to build an HTPC. But then I'd have to sacrifice my time doing other things (vacationing, working on the constant HT upgrades, playing with my kids, etc.). It's not worth it. It also shouldn't be too much to expect a provider to have products that meet the needs of customers without having to build them themselves.

    I make a good living, but I also don't like wasting my money (i.e. buying 3 tivo's and paying 3 monthly fees when I currently get that for free), as that's how I've managed to build up our nest egg.

    Who knows what the future will bring. Maybe in the next 15 years the markets will crash again or I'll lose my job and suddenly discover that I'm in debt and in my mid-50's and struggling to make ends meet. If that happens, I'll certainly investigate building all my own HT components. Until then, I'll just find a provider that offers the things I need at the best cost/performance ratio.
     
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    Then you are not a sports fan or maybe you don't live out of market for your team so it don't matter to you. Which is why I stated "as far as I am concerned."

    Personally HD looks great on my TV from DTv and I can't get FIOS anyhow - but if I could there is no way the picture is that dramatically better to make me give up Sunday Ticket.
     
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    The biggest problem I see with D* is rain fade, which is obviously inherent in satellite technology. I get rain fade often enough that I would consider switching to another provider for that reason alone. All my signals are in the 90s on a clear day so alignment is not a factor. But these new Ka signals seem very susceptible to rain fade.
     
  19. msmith198025

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    Last i checked FIOS doesnt have a 99.33% rate of subscription in the areas they serve...
    So to say that 99.33% of the general population agrees with you is an error
     
  20. msmith198025

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    Rainx on the dish helps here. I havent had rain fade in a long time after putting that on
     
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