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Fios vs Dish picture quality.

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Jack White, Jul 11, 2007.

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  1. Aug 9, 2007 #21 of 108
    HDTVFanAtic

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    Study: FiOS Hurting DBS More than Cable

    As Verizon continues its FiOS TV expansion across the country, other pay-TV providers are finding it more difficult to downplay the company's growing success. While it still may be years away before FiOS has comparable subscriber numbers to incumbent cable and satellite operators, a new study suggests the fiber-supported video service may be drawing more from DIRECTV and DISH Network than leading cable companies.

    According to research conducted by OneTrak, Verizon's FiOS TV product seemed to be taking more subscribers away from satellite operators than from rival cable companies - at least from the 34 Massachusetts communities where the telco launched service last year. The firm said in those municipalities, Verizon enlisted about 12,000 subscribers during a roughly 90-day period.

    OneTrak said during that time, incumbent cable operator Comcast lost 5,216 customers - a 2.6 percent decline among its client base of 204,106. The firm also said RCN, providing cable services to nine of the 34 towns, saw a seven percent dip in subscribers - or 1,813 customers.

    With OneTrak assuming about 3 percent of FiOS TV subscribers didn't have any pay-TV service prior to signing up, the firm's study suggests that about 4,600 new Verizon customers came from satellite. The total represents about 38 percent of the region's multichannel customers defecting from either DIRECTV or DISH.

    According to Verizon, more than 1.3 million households nationwide now subscribe to its television service, with FiOS TV averaging 2,600 sales every business day. In 15 months, the wireless company has doubled the number of subscribers bundling their DIRECTV satellite TV service with Verizon services, with 125,000 homes added in the second quarter alone, the company said.
     
  2. Aug 9, 2007 #22 of 108
    msmith198025

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    A couple of points. First, DSL in many areas is faster than 3mb/768kb.
    Second, yes Fios is growing. and i have heard the PQ is great, although havent seen it. I doubt it is leaps and bounds greater, although it very well could be. The thing is, they may very well be growing at an alarming rate NOW. Look back at trends for cable, and directv/dish. This happens. There is no possible way to keep up a growth rate of "50%" per quarter. The infrastructure isnt there, and most people are happy with what they have.
    Dont mean to sound like a Fios basher, im sure its a great service, and if it were ever available here i might take a look.
     
  3. Aug 9, 2007 #23 of 108
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    At various times they have offered several different speeds and prices. And in my area max out at 1.5. However they just strung up FIOS the other day in my neighborhood(not yet offered).
     
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    msmith198025

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    I would imagine that Fios being offered would compel them to ramp the speed up somewhat.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2007 #27 of 108
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    If I were them I might ramp it down so that I could offer more FIOS. Verizon owns the DSL infrastructure here.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2007 #28 of 108
    msmith198025

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    ohhh, i was talking about competing companies. But yeah if verizon owns most of it i see what ya mean
     
  9. Aug 9, 2007 #29 of 108
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    Motorola boxes are dealbreakers for me!
     
  10. Aug 9, 2007 #30 of 108
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    At least most of you have options. I live in Cincinnati and we are stuck, Cincinnati Bell is the phone company and Time Warner is the cable, neither has any need to push things as they are on equal footing with 5 mb/s DSL and 7? from Roadrunner. A few years ago Bell talked of doing tv over IP but it was all talk, it has taken them a few years to get from 3 - 5 mb/s, it would take them 20 years to get the tech in place to carry the bandwidth for video. Unless Verizon or At&T buy up Bell we are stuck. I can't see why anyone sticks with TW, their PQ very well could be the worst out there. What's funny is that my parents live in a rural area gets tv and internet through a line of site transmission from a tower (microwave?) The get good PQ and 10 mb/s. The only complaint is they don't get a DVR and the channel changes are kinda slow.
     
  11. Aug 9, 2007 #31 of 108
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    Me... Things I HAVE to have:

    1.) 30 Second Skip Ahead & Skip Back.
    2.) UHF Remotes
    3.) Fast Boxes
    4.) 2 provider Tuners and one (or more) OTA tuner
    5.) Modulator ouput


    I am tempted to "TRY" FIOS for a while, just to see if the Full-Res HD is worth it but I don't want to upset the household by changing providers either and loosing some very important features
     
  12. Aug 9, 2007 #32 of 108
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    FIOS announced this morning they were working on offering 100Mbps Internet Speeds.
     
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    oh yeah well i can get 6Mbp.........ok, i cant say anything to that. If its true and available to the general public, i may just have to move and try this Fios out
     
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    Said it before, I'll say it again.

    Bottom line:

    TV Sub additions in the Second Quarter:

    FIOS 125,000 additions
    Directv 128,000 additions
    Dish 170,000 additions

    Directv and Dish have a national footprint covering over 300 Million people. FIOS footprint covers 1% of that - 3 Million

    You do the math and if you are bad at math I'll even pitch in.

    Fios would have added at the same rate per area served as Dish and Directv if they had added 1,250 - 1,700 new subs to FIOS TV in the Quarter. Instead they added 125,000.

    Clearly a large number of people "get it" and the DVR isn't as big of an issue as better quality and lower price.
     
  15. Aug 11, 2007 #35 of 108
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    This is great news because the Overcompressors are finally paying for what they've been doing to their customers. Dish and Directv are now going to learn that you can fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
    All their 100% Digital Quality BS won't work when their customers eyes tell them that FIOS TV actually delivers reasonable picture quality unlike all the other competitors except for C-Band/4DTV and OTA.




     
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    msmith198025

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    And as I stated before, I have no doubt that they are growing at an alarming rate right now. You have proved it, numbers have been posted everywhere. Thats a fact.

    Another fact is that there is NO WAY to keep up that growth rate long term. The will very soon outgrow the availability of the infrastructure that is in place. Sure more can be added, but I doubt it will be before people get used to it or something else comes along. And lets not forget there are only so many places that Verizon can expand to with out getting into another companies territory and that version of "Fios" .
     
  17. Aug 11, 2007 #37 of 108
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    D*s growth number in the first years.
    1994 subs.- 320,000
    1995 subs.- 1,200,000
    1996 subs.- 2,300,000
    1997 subs.- 3,301,300
    1998 subs.- 4,458,000
    1999 subs.- 6,669,000

    ok, do the math on those growth numbers. per quarter is right up there and in most cases higher at the begining than fios.

    And yes, technically it was "available" nation wide, as in if you had a dish and a clear view you could get it. But no one knew about it, no installers in every town, ect. so id say the people who could actually get it would be comperable if not slightly higher than the availability of Fios right now.
    My point? That most of companies be it cable, dish, directv, fios, ect experience fast levels of growth to begin with.
     
  18. Aug 11, 2007 #38 of 108
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    You dismiss the concerns re Fios and then conclude that the others don't "get it?" :rolleyes:

    Fios(TV) is and has been available to me - I already have Fios Telephone and Internet - and the Fios DVR is in fact a deal-breaker for my wife and I.

    Sorry if you don't "get it." lol
     
  19. Aug 11, 2007 #39 of 108
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    Fios had 167,000 additions. http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2007/verizon-posts-strong-2q-2007.html
     
  20. Aug 11, 2007 #40 of 108
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    hi how are you doing, sorry for ruining your discussion here but i am new how i do post a brand new thread, my account is registration and everything I just dont see the button on any page, thanks everyone for the understanding and helping me out.
     
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