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Fios vs Dish picture quality.

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Jack White, Jul 11, 2007.

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  1. Aug 18, 2007 #81 of 108
    SaltiDawg

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    Of course, we understand this. Same with Cable and Sat received "locals." Some of us want the ability to record three selections simultaneously.

    Also, we understand the value of the seemingly near infinite Fios offers. What Is a deal breaker for at least some of us is the seemingly clunky/cluge job of DVR's that Fios currently has. I enjoy the Fios internet and phone in my home, but there'll not be TV for some time.

    Maybe someday? :)
     
  2. Aug 18, 2007 #82 of 108
    SaltiDawg

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    I've never heard any reputable source suggest resolution is the least important thing when it comes to PQ - nor, I suspect, have you.

    Many of us have seen it listed fourth - right behind the three items that proper calibration address.

    Funny thing that the importance of that which can not be adjusted on a given display is down played in importance by those that make a living by addressing those that can.
     
  3. Aug 18, 2007 #83 of 108
    msmith198025

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    Im just saying that once you reach the maximum resolution that a set can display, the rest is thrown away. So using that, it wouldnt matter if it were 100000000X10000000 you wouldnt get any extra benefit from it. Bandwidth and how your set handles the info is more important
     
  4. Aug 18, 2007 #84 of 108
    Hound

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    I have both a Dish 622 and a Fios DVR hooked up to the same 1080P plasma TV. I used to have a Dish 622 and a Fios DVR hooked up to a 1080I plasma TV, but I am now down to one Dish Receiver. There is a noticeable improvement in PQ when watching the same channel on Fios, SD or HD. I have not measured bit rates like KenAF. His bit rates indicate that the Fios TV picture is better. A naked eye comparison tells me.

    I am not knocking Dish, just posting the unbiased facts.
     
  5. Aug 18, 2007 #85 of 108
    Lincoln6Echo

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    I'm a mear simpleton here, so all I wanna know is is Verizon FIOS's light so clean that it's +20 dB hot? :D And is that on the 1310, 1490 or 1550?
     
  6. Aug 18, 2007 #86 of 108
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    The number one reason that I chose Fios TV was it had channels that I wanted
    not available on Dish. I still say that content is the number one reason to choose
    a provider. (The channels I wanted were CSN Phila HD, YES HD and SNY HD).
    Dish now has SNY HD, but does not provide it in my town.

    I suspect very few people record three shows at once, or record two and watch a third. However, I occasionally do on Sunday nights. I use the dual tuner aspect of the Fios DVR and my Sony HDD 500 for OTA.

    Fios' lower price and better PQ than Dish did not win me over. It was the content.

    It seems that I will always have two TV providers because after having had
    the sports packages on Dish, MLB EI and NBA League Pass, I am hooked. Fios
    does not yet offer these, but my local cable company does. When I first signed
    up with Dish, Dish offered the sports packages and my local cable company did
    not. So this content has done a 360. Comcast is buying my local cable company,
    and the deal is closing shortly. The Phila Sixers just announced the 2007-08
    NBA TV schedule and five games will be on CN8 which is an exclusive Comcast
    cable channel. The Phillies also have five games on CN8 and CN8 broadcasts
    local college basketball, which I want to watch. So exclusive content, is going
    to keep me as a sub with Comcast (second provider), not DVR quality or PQ.
     
  7. Aug 18, 2007 #87 of 108
    msmith198025

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    and thats fine. Thats the kind of answer i was looking for.
     
  8. Aug 18, 2007 #88 of 108
    msmith198025

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    lol
     
  9. Aug 18, 2007 #89 of 108
    GeorgeHanson

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    I have Dish now and I will borrow an idea from Don Landis on another thread. If Dish were able to send our channels in their optimum resolution then they wouldn't be throwing anything away and 720p and 1080p TV owners would be optimized. Example ESPN goes out at 1280 x 720 and Universal goes out at 1920 x 1080. Also Dish needs to get variable output as an option on the HD boxes so the indivdual channels picture can be optimized by the TV.

    I will have Fios available in 6 months in my area and probably hold onto Dish for 1 month to compare. But I believe Fios will have better PQ for me as I have a 1080p set and right now Dish is sending me 1440 x 1080 on most channels. The previous poster who has Dish and Fios in his home and says that Fios looks better is the feedback that I wanted to hear if I am going to switch.
     
  10. Aug 18, 2007 #90 of 108
    msmith198025

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    On a 1080P set, you probably will see a slightly better picture on your set given the numbers they are pumping out. Everything else being fairly equal
     
  11. Aug 18, 2007 #91 of 108
    Jack White

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    I think saying that FIOStv has better picture quality than Dish is about as subjective as saying an Enzo Ferrari is faster than your average Garbage Truck.
    All the scientific facts such as average bitrate, resolution, etc say that Fiostv has much better picture quality, but to me the MOST important thing is that my EYES told m that Fios has much better picture quality. Dish and Directv have cried WOLF so many times about having "digital quality picture and sound" that nobody(who hasn't actually seen Fiostv in action) even believes that Fiostv actually does have the picture quality it says it has.
     
  12. Aug 18, 2007 #92 of 108
    GeorgeHanson

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    Also of importance to how much bandwidth is being transmitted is pixelation in moving scenes. I have a backwards scenario locally. My OTA PBS station multicasts and the signal sent for their HD is impacted. I can watch Smart Travels on OTA and see pixelation in panning scenes, but watching it on Equator it is rock solid. Point is that if a provider sends appropriate bandwidth other factors in the picture are improved other than resolution.
     
  13. Aug 18, 2007 #93 of 108
    msmith198025

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    while i havent seen fios, i dont agree based on people that i know that have both. the difference, they say, is not much if any.
    thats why im getting opinions here
     
  14. Aug 18, 2007 #94 of 108
    Richard King

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    I could be wrong, it has happened once in a while, but my understanding is that Directv has always had a right of first refusal in that the package is always offered to them at a price and if they take the price it's off the table to anyone else. They have always paid the price so no one else has had the chance to grab it. Like I said though, I could be wrong.

    Edit.... according to Wikipedia, you know, that "encyclopedia" that anyone can write, Dish Network and other carriers were offered the package in this last go around, but refused to various conditions. Directv took the conditions and paid $700Million a year. That's nearly enough to launch two satellites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Sunday_Ticket
     
  15. Aug 19, 2007 #95 of 108
    HDTVFanAtic

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    You just won't ever get it.:nono2:

    The answer was in the quote from your last post.
     
  16. Aug 19, 2007 #96 of 108
    Ken_F

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    It's not just resolution. High-definition video on Dish is often bit-starved during complex scenes (i.e. those with movement). I'm certain you've seen blocking artifacts when there was a lot of movement on your screen.

    With FiOS, you don't get those blocking artifacts with any regularity.
     
  17. Aug 19, 2007 #97 of 108
    msmith198025

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    No, all ive seen you post is resolution numbers, which i have already stated and been backed up on, that that is only a small part of what gives you good or bad PQ. One other thing is bit rate, and the only info you have given on that is "low" or "high"
    If i missed it i apologize, im just trying to get actual facts here, not argue with you.
     
  18. Aug 19, 2007 #98 of 108
    bthessel

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    Ok, I am convinced. Now someone get Fios in the other 95% of the country (land mass not population) outside of the northeast so I can have it here in Cincinnati. I think if things get started today I could have it by 2030.
     
  19. Aug 19, 2007 #99 of 108
    brennt

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    Not sure about all that, but I can say the Verizon guy has a... nice truck. :)
     
  20. HDTVFanAtic

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    You continue to prove my past posts.

    Re-Read it the 5th time very S L O W L Y.
     
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