First Ground Up Driverless Vehicle To Be On Road in 2015

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  1. James Long

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    MCity was linked earlier in the thread but after 300 posts it is easy to lose track of what has been mentioned.
     
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  2. phrelin

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    Sorry. I did search this thread for "Michigan" and "MCity" and nothing came up.
     
  3. phrelin

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    Here's why I'm a bit paranoid about the spin that comes from high sales volume tech retail industry when it comes to things that can kill you like a driverless car.

    From the Silicon Valley Mercury News comes a story with the headline Elon Musk: Tesla cars will be able to drive themselves across the country in two years, which seems like it is a pretty cool story. It begins with:

    But then it explains:

    Huh? That's a little confusing. There is, however, a buried headline at the bottom that could be pulled from this:

    The headline is Elon Musk aknowledges car owners can't be trusted with new self-driving tech. That is the problem - not the tech, but the people, the same foolish, irresponsible people the tech is trying to save from killing themselves and others on the highway. :nono2:
     
  4. James Long

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    We certainly have a variety of approaches ...

    MCity's off road controlled environment.
    Google's 25 MPH street testing.
    Tesla's dump it on the market and see what happens.
     
  5. Tom Robertson

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    I see MCity and Google as being on the same progression. Google is taking a slow approach, they did their version MCity for years, by creating many off road testing environments and still uses them today. At some point MCity has to evolve to real city. Google reached that point and is still taking it slow... 25mph. (Though part of that is also California law.) :)

    Tesla on the other hand... Egad...

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  6. inkahauts

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    I need to read about what tesla is actually doing. I thought their first step was basically pulling in and out of parking spaces for you basically. Obviously not....
     
  7. dennisj00

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    Tesla updated to an assisted freeway driving back in November or early December, plus parking and pickup. Other than the crazy youtube videos, it looks pretty awesome.

    I have an acquaintance that parks his a couple of houses down the street. . . he owns a half dozen houses on a point on the lake. He can summon the car from that garage to his location.

    For $800 he can get a robotic arm for the charger to automatically plug / unplug the charger. At that point, the car will drop him off, go to the garage and re-charge.
     
  8. James Long

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    Tesla sounds like a can of worms waiting for a lawsuit. When an empty car drives itself someone must be responsible. Even if an accident is not the car's "fault" there will be a lot of questions about responsibility and accident avoidance.

    So when you send your car off to park itself, are you responsible or the manufacturer?


    Mythbusters did another cell phone driving episode (anti, of course) at the end of last season. They finished up with 30 test drives in a simulator. (The test was if handsfree was as bad as handheld.) I noticed that during the simulation that there were a lot of "what if" tests thrown in. What if a car passes, cuts you off and brakes? What if a bicyclist leaves the curb and crosses the center line?

    If these were tests of a self driving car I suspect the proponents would classify those actions as "not the car's fault". But avoiding the more challenging fellow drivers on the road is part of driving. If cell phone users are to blame when someone pulls out in front of them or cuts them off, so should other drivers.
     
  9. Tom Robertson

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    Google is looking for more partnerships: http://news.yahoo.com/google-add-more-partners-self-driving-cars-google-215204256--finance.html

    Peace,
    Tom
     
  10. Tom Robertson

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    GM is saying fully driverless cars most likely (my paraphrase of the updated version) to be in urban ride share programs before showroom: http://mashable.com/2016/01/13/gm-lyft-autonomous-car-austin/#p01XnFrEeSqC

    He's probably right, as a rideshare could justify the costs of the hardware necessary. Yet well to do early tech adopters might see it as cheaper than a chauffeur. :)
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  11. phrelin

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    I was thinking that a self-driving vehicle for the Meals-on-Wheels program could use a Segway Butler variation to deliver the food right to the door. :grin:
     
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  12. inkahauts

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    Now this is an idea worth looking into. :)
     
  13. phrelin

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    InformationWeek has this article Obama Proposes $4 Billion Budget For Self-Driving Cars summarizing information gathered mostly from other sources:

    The referenced Washington Post article is lengthy but worth a read telling us among other things:

    This isn't the kind of initiative that will get undone when a new President arrives next January. The lobbying combination of the auto and tech industries will make sure it continues no matter what party the new President comes from.
     
  14. SayWhat?

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    Skipping 300+ posts since I wasn't really interested, but have come up with a question that may or may not have been addressed.

    How are they dealing with drivers? I can see this coming in handy for older people (or anyone) with less that ideal vision that may not be able to get a standard driver's license. People that may be otherwise mobile and functional once they get to the store or workplace, but can't see well enough to drive.
     
  15. phrelin

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    As someone who could face that problem, I hope assisted driving systems or self-driving vehicles will provide options and we have discussed the subject here. But right now I'm not holding my breath even here in California.
     
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    Guess they're probably looking at it as advanced Cruise Control where a licensed driver has to be there to take over if some problem develops?
     
  17. Tom Robertson

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    This is a hot topic, both in this thread and in the transportation industry. Google has determined that the only solution is one where the car can be fully autonomous, at least during most phases. Anytime a human is required as a "safety net" ignores human behavior. :)

    California has decided to ignore human behavior initially and require the humans be present, awake, and aware during the next phase of implementation. And separately certified for being present, awake, and aware. Though these new rules haven't been carved in stone yet. Public hearings coming soon.

    Peace,
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  18. Tom Robertson

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    That is the current draft of the State of California plan. Problem is Google already discovered that doesn't work. Humans don't stay awake and alert if they have nothing to do but sit and watch. If they aren't engaged, they will go to sleep. Google is pushing California to find a way to certify cars to truly be self-driving so the passengers don't have to fight normal human behavior.

    Peace,
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  19. phrelin

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    TechRepublic offers a look at Photos: A list of the world's self-driving cars racing toward 2020 and beyond. The one without a real picture is:

    I'm not quite sure how Apple will ship those electric cars FedEx Air from their contract Chinese manufacturer's plant, but if they are shiny enough they may actually sell.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    Haha! I wonder where they will be made...
     

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