First Ground Up Driverless Vehicle To Be On Road in 2015

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  1. James Long

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    I will post as needed. I expect one of my posts will be about Tesla's next fatal accident and it won't be long until the fatality is not in the Tesla.

    Drive safe ... and don't fall in to the trap Clark Howard reported:
    "In his personal experience, Clark admits that it’s easy to become lackadaisical when using the Autopilot feature because it works so well."
    http://www.clark.com/clarks-take-tesla-autopilot

    Unfortunately Mr Howard is not just "taking his chances" with his own health and safety. He is on public roads.
     
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  2. Tom Robertson

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    How about this for a comparison: https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/autopilot-safety-and-epidemiological-studies

    We need well formed data, not cherry picked marketeer data. And then the data needs to be compared correctly against the proper cohorts. 130 million highway miles, in perfect good driving conditions vs. a similar dataset of other cars--highway miles, perfect good driving conditions, etc.

    Peace,
    Tom

    Edit: decided I over stated the driving conditions. While AP won't be used in poor driving conditions, they needn't be perfect.
     
  3. James Long

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    I wouldn't bet on that. I have seen YouTube. :)
     
  4. Tom Robertson

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    True, though I understand AP shuts itself down. :)

    Peace,
    Tom
     
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    dennisj00

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    Eight days and a few hours, 400+ miles and it's a wonderful car! Certainly the safest car available in the US.

    (My opinion so you can post your opinion).

    In those 400 miles, they've been mostly under normal driving and the TACC (Traffic Aware Cruise Control) and a few under AP.

    Getting use to the car in general, as with any different car (that's mine instead of someone else's or a rental) I've been very careful. But the TACC is incredible. You have to be moving more than 18 mph to engage it but it follows the traffic ahead - particularly stop and go - very well. Very useful in stop and go congestion.

    It follows at the spacing you've set - 1 to 7 car lengths - and at the posted speed or the speed you've selected, but reduced if necessary to follow, and brakes and stops behind the car in front very nicely and starts up when the chain moves.

    AP does a great job for the miles I've used it. I'll wait until some longer trips to review it.

    It's the most fun car I've driven and that's included 911, Boxters and Miatas, some I've owned and others not. Stopping at the SuperChargers (free) is also a social event!

    So far, I've charged about $7.00 at home of the 400+ miles.
     
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    Tom Robertson

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    inkahauts

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    Actually I see it as a positive for several reasons. For one it means you have to bring in some new blood and sometimes new blood can fix or update things faster than someone who's been staring at the same thing for years.

    Secondly I bet that at least one of these if not all three of them end up starting a new company doing similar things. To me the more companies that start building automated cars the better.

    That will drive everyone to work harder at it and to be one of the first ones out there with a solid product.

    I wonder if we'd see the BMW electric car if it wasn't for tesla. And all the other high end ones and low end ones coming and announced over the next five years. Once you have a ground swell you get more pressure to excel and more people trying to.

    It does seem a little odd they have lost so many people so quickly but I have to ponder what the underlying reasons could be for that.
     
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    Tom Robertson

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    Yeah, I do see the huge potential gain for the industry overall. A couple of the execs leaving Google have announced they are sticking with self-driving vehicles in their new startup. I should have more clearly limited my concerns to the Google aspects, as the overall industry is still exciting. :)

    And even within Google, the "problems" could be positive growing pains as they shift from R&D to manufacturing. Growing pains can be very good. :)

    Peace,
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  9. dennisj00

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    Almost at 1000 miles in almost 3 weeks. Took our first 'road trip' this week just to check out the range predictions and actual mileage.

    Left the Charlotte SuperCharger with 190 miles of range and a prediction of 50 miles reserve when we arrived at the Asheville SuperCharger. I was amazed that no matter if I was doing 60, 70 or 80 mph, it still tracked very accurately. As I changed routes the reserve went to 60 and we actually arrived at the Asheville SC with 63 miles in reserve. 128 miles at 278 whr/mile.

    That's 4.3 CENTS per mile if I were paying for it. But it's FREE!

    Returned after charging for 42 minutes - walking through the outlet mall during charging - on I-40 back to home . . . 122 miles at 259 whr/ mile! There's about an 8 mile downhill on Black Mountain that I saw the range increase by 6 miles!

    Other than lunch, cost of the trip, $0.00.

    The TACC is phenomenal, and reacts much better than most drivers. Whether at 70 mph or stop and go driving, it keeps the distance ahead that you set and comes to a complete stop behind the car ahead and starts back as necessary. It's really good in stop and go driving. I drove for many miles without touching either pedal.

    While I did 30 or so miles in both legs with AP on, I like the TACC better with me steering. The AP tends to favor the middle of the road while I like to favor one side or the other, particularly when there's a car or truck on either side. It would be nice to be able to fine tune it to the right or left of the lane, however overall, it does a great job. With more software tweaks, it can only get better.

    While I've been an EV driver for almost 5 years with the Leafs, there was always a bigger drain on the mileage when above 50 miles per hour. That hasn't been the case with the Model S even with miles up to 80 mph!! I've been amazed at how accurate the range / tracking has been.

    In the first 1000 miles, I've charged at home for about $12.00.
     
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  10. inkahauts

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    Sounds pretty good so far to me!
     
  11. trh

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    When you charge at a SuperCharger, who is paying for it? Tesla?
     
  12. dennisj00

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    Yes. Some are adding solar panels.

    And the $12 I mention isn't discounted by my solar panels.
     
  13. inkahauts

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    Yeah superchargers are free to x and s models. Evidently the 3 will cost per use or pay one time extra fee for lifetime.

    I never have heard if the roadster can use them.
     
  14. Drucifer

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    A smart vehicle will work faultlessly on roads designed for them.

    With current tech, getting a smart vehicle to work without any errors on normal roads is an impossibility.

    That is a fact of life.

    The industry needs to do a lot more research on how we can make today roads smart vehicle friendly.
     
  15. James Long

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    Lost in translation? Perhaps. But there was another Tesla autodrive related accident, this one in China.
    Emphasis added.
    http://autoweek.com/article/technology/driver-china-autopilot-crash-blames-teslas-self-driving-pitch

    The driver admits to being distracted ... looking down at his cell phone or navigation and looking up every few seconds. A comfort level with autopilot that I am concerned will become more common.

    Here is a video of the story including the crash ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ7vqAUJdbE

    The driver claimed that during the demonstration test drive the sales person took their hands off of the steering wheel and took their feet off of the accelerator and brake. So perhaps the sales team needs to learn how to drive the cars they are selling.
    http://venturebeat.com/2016/08/10/tesla-model-s-in-autopilot-mode-crashes-in-china/

    Apologists for Tesla will blame the driver ... but is there not a collision warning system? Shouldn't the Tesla have come to a stop behind the disabled vehicle instead of attempting to share the lane?
     
  16. inkahauts

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    Does tesla own the stores in china like they do here?
     
  17. trh

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    Maybe the car thought it was a road sign?
     
  18. inkahauts

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    Hey something screwed up. I'm sure they'll figure out what. But unless they report it who knows why.

    It's funny, as I recall Google had a lane sharing issues as well that resulted in an accident. I wonder if this kind of thing is a bigger issue to figure out than we would think. I'd like to know what their findings are.
     
  19. dennisj00

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    And we certainly don't know the whole story. The kid could have grabbed the wheel in panic and side-swiped the parked car. Until the data is reviewed, we don't know the whole story. A driver's first reaction is 'it's not my fault'. Although he did admit he wasn't paying attention so it's HIS fault! (whether he admitted it or not).

    Reminds me of a story one night on national news of a kid that got killed on a 4 wheeler and the mother's quote was 'I can't believe that salesman would sell me something that would kill my child!"

    Nobody takes responsiblility for their own actions anymore.
     
  20. dennisj00

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    More info. . . when you activate AP, it warns you to keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any time. I know it does nag you if your hands aren't on the wheel and from the manual (I haven't tried it) it will de-accelerate, put the hazard lights on and stop if you 1) unlatch the drivers seat belt or leave the seat, 2) don't put your hands on the wheel after warnings.

    Don't forget, although AP might be in control, you still have control of the car speeding at something at 70 mph and if you decide to take the wrong corrective action -- it happens every day, multiple times in any car (without AP), it's not the cars fault. Leave the smartphone alone.

    As I've reported first hand in the first 1000 miles, both TACC and AP have their positive features for reducing potential accidents. While I haven't had any close calls, I have had cars pull in or change lanes and the car has reacted before I would normally have.

    Go take a test drive. It's an awesome car.
     
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