First Look: DirecTV 21 tuner 3D2 SWM LNB

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  1. Dec 17, 2015 #1 of 471
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  3. Dec 17, 2015 #3 of 471
    Drucifer

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    Well that will eliminate the required 8-turner count that SWiM16 owners got to do.
     
  4. Dec 18, 2015 #4 of 471
    slice1900

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    Still find it interesting that it is 21 tuners. I wonder if the reverse band LNB will be 22, to reduce future confusion, so people don't have to refer to "the old SWM 22 LNB" and "the new SWM 22 LNB with reverse band". Just "SWM 21 LNB" and "SWM 22 LNB". But who knows, maybe the reverse band one will remain 21 as well for some reason.

    Also strange that they even bothered with this one with the reverse band LNB following so closely on its heels, unless this one costs more (which it could at least initially if it eliminates a lot of the analog RF components in the front end as I suspect it may) This 3D2 may have a very short life...
     
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    carl6

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    It is a 22 tuner LNB, but the 22nd tuner is for system use, not a receiver to use. I would expect any new reverse band LNB to be the same.
     
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    Yeah, that's confirmed now, but since it's a switch from the ASWM and 1st gen. DSWM practice of only referring to the program tuner support in the naming. Thus the initial confusion of thinking it had 22 program tuner support instead of 21.

    This combined with that it would seem 22 is the more logical as it places the upper frequencies of the SWiM spectum closer to the standard 2150 MHz upper bandwidth limit of all DIRECTV's HD receiver tuners.

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  7. Dec 18, 2015 #7 of 471
    mickat

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    When can the rest of us get 3 Genies?
     
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    DIRECTV engineering probably made a special exception for the author of the First Look here for the purposes of testing and evaluation of new firmware and equipment as member of the iamanedgecutter group.

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  9. Dec 18, 2015 #9 of 471
    Bill Broderick

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    From what I've read, the problem with multiple Genies has to do with clients (mini's or RVU TV's) not knowing which Genie they are supposed to be attached to. Apparently, there are no problems having multiple Genies in a non-client client environment. But, unless they fix the client problem, there is no way that DirecTV is going to allow people to have multiple Genies on their account. Can you imagine the nightmare that they would have to deal with when someone who has multiple Genies buys an expensive RVU TV and DirecTV has to tell them that they either have to return a Genie (or two) or they can't use the RVU functionality of their new TV? Or how about, "we can't let you have the 4K mini unless you return a Genie (or two)", when the 4K mini is the only way to watch 4K programming?
     
  10. Dec 18, 2015 #10 of 471
    mickat

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    Couldn't Directv just tell people that if they want more than 1 Genie then they can't have any clients? I think most of the people who want more than 1 Genie are like myself, long time cust. 20 yrs, and would know how to follow the instructions for having more than 1. It sure would make things simpler for someone like me.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2015 #11 of 471
    Tom Robertson

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    Alas, I have no expectation of multiple genies on one account being generally available. I don't expect never and I don't expect soon--I don't know and don't have a sense.

    There are a number of technical and logistical issues with multiple genies on an account. All of which can be resolved, of course, but those resolutions apparently are not prioritized ahead of other things.

    In another thread, I have theorized the new FCC regulations on TV gateways may introduce an incentive for this to be resolved. Either by directly requiring it or by cable companies, in meeting the new FCC requirements creating new devices that allow multiples on the account. Thus putting competitive pressure on DIRECTV.


    DIRECTV assisted in a couple ways including putting some of my old receivers back on my account for a short time. (And I paid the extra fees for the short time.)

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  12. Dec 18, 2015 #12 of 471
    slice1900

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    The chip it uses can handle 24 tuners, and the frequency spacing for the channels Directv uses would allow 23 tuners (22 user + 1 guide) while staying under 2150 MHz which is why I wondered. It is an artificial limit, though less limiting than the SWM 13 having six channels it could have used disabled.

    In practice it doesn't matter, because the number of people who need exactly 22 tuners would be tiny, just a curiosity.
     
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    Tom Robertson

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    Do you have any links to the chip used?

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    Bill Broderick

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    A company, with as many customers as DirecTV does, can't have one set of rules for some people and different rules for other people. And I don't believe for a minute that the majority of people who want more than 1 Genie would be any better at understanding and following the rules than the rest of the DirecTV population.
     
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    First off Bill, I agree that any DirecTV customer should be allowed to have more than one Genie (that DirecTV should do whatever engineering is necessary to allow that to happen from a technical or logistical standpoint). Sadly, I do not expect that to happen (even if the technical constraints are resolved).

    However, the rare engineering exceptions that have been made to the rule for limited pre-release testing, or to support testing such as Tom did on the new LNB, are certainly far short of "different rules for other people". I know of more than one person who had more than one Genie, and when that (2nd) Genie needed to come off the account for any reason, they were not permitted a replacement for it. The one-genie per account rule really is enforced for everyone (with the noted rare engineering exception).
     
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    Drucifer

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    Maybe needed if multi Genies will shortly be allowed.
     
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    slice1900

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    But what's the reason to have this 3D2 versus the reverse band LNB that is already being distributed in certain markets?
     
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    Bill Broderick

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    Personally, I think that it's more likely that a future generation of the Genie (or whatever it will be called) will have more than 5 tuners, than it is that DirecTV will allow for multiple Genies on an account. Some cable companies are already offering 10 - 15 tuners on their Whole Home solution, In order to continue to compete, DirecTV may need to step up the number of tuners as well.

    Similar to what Drucifer was thinking about multiple Genies on an account being the impetus for the 21 tuner LNB, I was thinking the same thing about a Genie with more tuners being the impetus.
     
  19. Dec 18, 2015 #19 of 471
    RAD

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    You can have 21 tuners now with DIRECTV, but only 5 of them are a Genie.


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  20. Dec 18, 2015 #20 of 471
    carl6

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    Absolutely. There are many accounts that have multiple HR2x and H2x that exceed the 8, 13, or 16 tuner limits available on current LNB and external switch equipment. Even easier to do when combined with a Genie. Genie=5, 5 each HR2x = 10, 5 each H2x = 5, total = 20. Just an example of one possible mix of equipment. Yes, it is possible to design systems to support higher tuner counts, but it is much easier, and more cost effective to do so with a single LNB.
     

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