First Look: DirecTV 21 tuner 3D2 SWM LNB

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  1. P Smith

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    The AIM's FW producing confusing output; the meter works with same DLNB and get same info from it. I can give you binary output from 3D2 ...
     
  2. Jan 3, 2016 #102 of 471
    P Smith

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    Now I know why I missed the SS values for Reverse Band - as HoTat2 mentioned in other thread, a size of the snapshots (man !) is not for those who have 0.5 Mbps DL speed :(

    Could you please, before posting, resize the pictures to usual for viewing at web sites by anyone (regardless ISP speeds) - to 1024x768 pixels or so ?
     
  3. Jan 3, 2016 #103 of 471
    HoTat2

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    From what I can tell, twizt3dkitty's 99(cr) numbers in the photo were ...

    xpndr 2 = 88
    xpndr 3 = 82
    xpndr 16 = 86
    xpndr 17 = 84

    103(cr) is all zeros of course.

    Levels were all taken from an HR54 on it's tuner #7

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  4. Jan 3, 2016 #104 of 471
    P Smith

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    Thanks, practically same as other poster gave us.

    So, any prediction when we will see any channel on RB tpns ? At least *TEST one.
     
  5. Jan 3, 2016 #105 of 471
    P Smith

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    Adding to that count confusion - HR54 has a sign at F-connector "SWiM-7"; what DTV is created here ? - empty complication !
     
  6. Jan 3, 2016 #106 of 471
    bobnielsen

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    The reverse band LNBs being sold on eBay are 3D2rbLNBR0-01
     
  7. Jan 3, 2016 #107 of 471
    HoTat2

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    Yeah, ....

    But I'm switching to calling the Reverse Band types "3D2RB" and "5D2RB" for short instead of "3DR" and "5DR" like I posted in that list which I think were just the abridged names DIRECTV used for the LNB list of the receiver setup.

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  8. Jan 3, 2016 #108 of 471
    slice1900

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    Hard to make any prediction without knowing their plans for when 4K channels will appear (some claim January, others April) and how they will be delivered at first. Directv's long range plans are clearly to use transponder bonding on reverse band, but I think there's a very good chance that initially they will use one 4K channel per transponder on Ka so customers who want 4K don't have to get upgraded to HR54 and a new LNB from day one. Unless they have production volumes of both to meet demand, which I doubt. Some customers would still need a C61K but those have been around longer so production volumes are probably higher, and the demand for them would be reduced by some customers having 4K RVU TVs they can use at least for now.

    If they do plan to use reverse band to deliver 4K from day one, broadcasts won't start in two weeks, there's just no way that can work without pissing off a lot of customers. If it isn't until April with the Masters, using reverse band and bonded transponders from day one becomes more likely but still not certain. They have a lot of spare Ka bandwidth at the moment, dedicating a few transponders to 4K channels would be no big deal and give them time to get supplies of HR54s and reverse band LNBs to where they need to be.

    The readings in the 80s suggest broadcast at reduced power so maybe Directv is still doing some type of interference testing since this would be the first nationwide use of reverse band in the US.

    I'm guessing there will probably be some announcements about when 4K starts during CES. Maybe not from Directv since I don't think they participate there, but someone will announce something that will let us have a pretty good idea when to expect Directv to start since I think they will want to be on board from day one.
     
  9. Jan 3, 2016 #109 of 471
    HoTat2

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    Though I would add that DIRECTV has a lot of spare Ka bandwidth on the assumption that the strange way DIRECTV continues to way under utilize D14's CONUS beam payload does not indicate anything wrong with the bird.

    And also assuming DIRECTV can finally complete clearing out SW1 of locals and PR mirrors to allow D15 to use that spectrum for it's 8 lower Ka-hi CONUS xpndrs.

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  10. Jan 9, 2016 #110 of 471
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    Here is some info on the 3 Reverse Band LNB

    AIM Version: 4.0 Build: 1080
    Db Version: 0040
    Date: 12-13-2015, 12:13:53
    Account: SampleId123
    Notes:
    ODU: Slimline-3DR
    Multiswitch: None
    Zip: 46825
    Config: ODU-SPL-IRD
    Location: At ODU output
    Options: All nationals with spots
    Sat/Tr Freq(MHz) Pwr(dBm) SNR(dB) SQ Offset(MHz) Lock Volts(V) Cur(mA) ODU DSWM
    ssss/tt xxxx.xx -xxx.x xx.x xxx (-)x.xx xxx xx.x xxxx abcd x
    99a/1 1680.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/2 1680.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/3 1720.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/4 1720.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/5 1760.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/6 1760.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/7 1800.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/8 1800.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/11 1880.00 -25.3 14.1 97 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/13 1920.00 -25.4 13.6 96 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/14 1920.00 -25.4 14.3 97 -0.19 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/15 1960.00 -25.3 13.8 96 -0.19 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/16 1960.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/17 2000.00 -25.3 13.2 95 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/18 2000.00 -25.3 14.2 97 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/19 2040.00 -25.4 13.0 95 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/20 2040.00 -25.3 14.1 97 -0.19 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/21 2080.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99a/23 2120.00 -25.4 14.1 97 -0.19 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/1 274.00 -25.4 13.8 96 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/2 274.00 -25.4 13.5 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/3 314.00 -25.5 12.4 92 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/4 314.00 -25.6 12.7 94 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/5 354.00 -25.6 13.3 95 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/6 354.00 -25.4 13.0 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/7 394.00 -25.7 12.6 94 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/8 394.00 -25.6 12.8 95 0.45 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/9 434.00 -25.4 13.2 95 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/10 434.00 -25.5 13.2 95 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/11 474.00 -25.5 12.6 94 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/12 474.00 -25.5 12.8 95 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/13 514.00 -25.4 14.0 97 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/14 514.00 -25.5 13.8 96 -0.20 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/15 554.00 -25.2 12.5 93 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/16 554.00 -25.3 16.7 100 -0.19 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/17 598.00 -25.4 13.5 96 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/18 598.00 -25.2 15.0 99 -0.18 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/19 642.00 -25.3 16.3 100 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/20 642.00 -25.2 17.4 100 -0.19 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/21 682.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/22 682.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/23 726.00 -25.5 13.4 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    99b/24 726.00 -25.3 12.3 92 -0.18 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/1 974.00 -26.5 15.2 99 -0.63 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/2 988.58 -29.2 14.4 97 -0.70 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/3 1003.16 -27.1 14.5 98 -0.64 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/4 1017.74 -26.0 16.1 100 -0.57 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/5 1032.32 -27.4 14.6 98 -0.57 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/6 1046.90 -27.6 17.3 100 -0.64 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/7 1061.48 -27.1 15.2 99 -0.58 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/8 1076.06 -26.8 17.2 100 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/9 1090.64 -27.1 15.3 99 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/10 1105.22 -29.4 15.4 99 -0.83 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/11 1119.80 -27.3 15.4 99 -0.63 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/12 1134.38 -26.2 16.2 100 -0.64 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/13 1148.96 -27.2 15.5 100 -0.70 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/14 1163.54 -27.7 17.3 100 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/15 1178.12 -27.0 15.1 99 -0.57 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/16 1192.70 -27.4 16.9 100 -0.58 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/17 1207.28 -27.4 15.0 99 -0.64 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/18 1221.86 -26.8 18.8 100 -0.56 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/19 1236.44 -27.1 14.9 98 -0.70 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/20 1251.02 -26.9 15.1 99 -0.64 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/21 1265.60 -27.2 14.9 98 -0.70 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/22 1280.18 -27.5 16.9 100 -0.76 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/23 1294.76 -27.2 15.3 99 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/24 1309.34 -27.0 17.0 100 -0.58 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/25 1323.92 -27.2 14.8 98 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/26 1338.50 -27.2 16.0 100 -0.62 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/27 1353.08 -27.2 14.5 98 -0.70 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/28 1367.66 -27.2 12.3 92 -0.55 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/29 1382.24 -26.9 15.3 99 -0.57 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/30 1396.82 -27.0 16.8 100 -0.45 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/31 1411.40 -26.3 14.4 97 -0.64 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    101/32 1425.98 -26.2 17.4 100 -0.58 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/1 1691.67 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/2 1691.67 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/3 1754.17 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/4 1754.17 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/5 1800.67 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/6 1800.67 -25.7 9.8 77 -0.14 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/9 1840.00 -25.4 14.6 98 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/10 1840.00 -25.6 13.6 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/11 1880.00 -25.5 14.0 97 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/12 1880.00 -25.4 13.3 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/13 1920.00 -25.5 13.6 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/14 1920.00 -25.7 13.1 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/15 1960.00 -25.5 13.5 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/16 1960.00 -25.6 13.4 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/17 2000.00 -25.4 13.4 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/18 2000.00 -25.6 13.2 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/19 2040.00 -25.5 13.7 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/20 2040.00 -25.6 13.2 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/21 2080.00 -25.4 13.3 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/22 2080.00 -25.6 13.0 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/23 2120.00 -25.5 13.8 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103a/24 2120.00 -25.3 13.8 96 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/1 274.00 -25.7 14.1 97 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/2 274.00 -25.5 14.1 97 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/3 314.00 -25.6 12.6 94 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/4 314.00 -25.6 12.9 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/5 354.00 -25.4 13.2 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/6 354.00 -25.5 13.3 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/7 394.00 -25.6 12.7 94 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/8 394.00 -25.6 12.8 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/9 434.00 -25.5 13.4 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/10 434.00 -25.6 13.2 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/11 474.00 -25.6 13.0 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/12 474.00 -25.6 13.1 95 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/13 514.00 -25.6 13.2 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/14 514.00 -25.4 13.3 95 -0.17 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/15 554.00 -25.4 15.7 100 -0.16 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/16 554.00 -25.4 11.1 85 -0.15 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/17 598.00 -25.3 14.5 98 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/18 598.00 -25.4 14.1 97 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/19 642.00 -25.3 14.1 97 -0.16 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/20 642.00 -25.5 12.1 91 -0.15 YES 21.0 430 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/21 682.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/22 682.00 -- -- -- -- NO 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/23 726.00 -25.8 15.5 100 -0.15 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
    103b/24 726.00 -25.2 13.6 96 -0.15 YES 21.0 440 Slimline-3DR 2
     

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  11. CuttySnark

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    Hmmm...I haven't seen a transponder survey in 3 months or so. When did D* start using tpns 15-20,23,24 on 103/99cb and tpn 6 on 103ca? Does this have to do with reverse band or is it the launch of d13/14 (or both?)
     
  12. HoTat2

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    The AIM xpndr survey log is simply listing all the Ka xpndrs 1-24 each as "a" for Ka A band and "b" for Ka B band at both 99 and 103W. It's not parsing them as on the receiver signal strength displays 99ca/cb, 103ca/cb, 99s, and 103s.

    So xpndrs 15-24 are not on 103/99cb, but as spotbeam xpndrs on 103s and 99s.

    And xpndr 6 is not on 103ca, but is a spotbeam xpndr on 103s ...

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  13. HoTat2

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    Also, there is no "D13," it was canceled in the series. The latest satellites are D14 at 99W and D15 at 103W.

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  14. slice1900

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    Was there ever supposed to be a D13 or did they skip it like hotels that don't have a 13th floor?
     
  15. HoTat2

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    Yes, as a Ku band replacement for D5 at 110W. DIRECTV scrapped the plan though and went to the next in the series D14.

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    Seems like a giant waste of money to launch a brand new satellite to handle 3 transponders, when there would be multiple less expensive options to handle that. Almost wonder if they announced that knowing they were never going to actually do it, just so they'd have to excuse to skip '13' without seeming superstitious :)
     
  17. inkahauts

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    No there was more to it. It wasn't goin to broadcast just three transponders they wanted to do something else too. Can't recall exactly what it was but it might have even been something for Mexico on the same sat or something of that nature. I think it's somewhere on this forum.......
     
  18. HoTat2

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    It had to do with DIRECTV'S fear for the future viability of the Ku DBS band because of the possible interference from "tweener slot" licenses at only half the separation or 4.5° from the current standard 9° spacing the FCC was granting at the time. Beginning with one on one side of 110W and another on the other side pending.

    See Tom's old post here from 2/2008;
    http://dbstalk.com/index.php?/topic/76394-DIRECTV-and-Ka-(with-satellite-configs)#entry1434615




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  19. slice1900

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    I remember seeing something where Directv was investigating interference by tweeners and did a survey of some of their dishes to check how well they were aligned. They had some misaligned by up to 2.5* that were still working. If there's another satellite position 4.5* away (which might really be 4* depending on the exact slot each occupies) then obviously you could no longer be so sloppy with your aim and still have things work.

    That would no longer be a problem for Directv, only those with the old oval 101/110/119 dishes could possibly be affected. If you have a Slimline Ka won't work when the dish is aimed that badly so no one has a Slimline that's off by anywhere near 2*. If tweeners are a problem at all, they'd be a problem for Dish, not Directv. More likely Directv didn't want the potential competition, opening up a bunch of new slots would allow room for a third satellite MVPD to begin operations.

    Did anyone ever get approved for tweener slots, or launch any tweener satellites?
     
  20. James Long

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    It is not just misalignment that is a problem with tweeners. One can have the most accurately aimed dish in the country and still potentially pick up a tweener slot due to the "slop" that is required to be designed into the dish. LNB spacings that are designed to be used nationwide in any location with an eye wide enough to catch the correct satellite whether the LNB is installed in Maine or Florida, Seattle or San Diego and all points in between. A slot 4.5 degrees away can easily be within the eye of an LNB, especially in northern US locations.

    Hopefully the polarity flip will help lower interference to acceptable levels. The polarity flip helps for 2 degree spaced C and Ku satellites. But most people are not trying to pick up multiple locations using an LNB without any spacing adjustment.



    Nothing yet that I know of,
     

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