First Look: DirecTV 21 tuner 3D2 SWM LNB

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  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    I did a little digging and found a FCC spec sheet posted on the other site by satgirl51 . Since it mentioned modulation compatibility with MxL568, I did a little googling and think maybe what the HR54 uses may not be Broadcom's chip but could be Maxlinear's MxL581 which also supports 8 demodulators. Its timeline would fit with the HR54's, but like Broadcom's 8 tuner chip has no mention of support for bonding and was designed too early to support DVB-S2X.

    Whichever it uses, it either has unannounced support for bonding, or that is being handled somehow in software. Since these full spectrum capture / full band capture chips basically work as big DSPs, they are pretty programmable. Not enough to be made to support DVB-S2X, but likely enough to support bonding.
     
  2. twizt3dkitty

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    Scott just posted over at SatGuys that a speculated national launch for reverse 3s is April 8th. Just fyi to all.

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  3. slice1900

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    Would Directv's definition for 'national launch' mean it becomes the default LNB in all new installs (once old stock of SWM/SWM13/3D2 is gone) or that some are shipped to each location so they are available if needed?
     
  4. WestDC

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    Yes-That what it would mean also -the LNB being released for testing may not be the final one - it's just being tested and the latter LNB's may be modeled after the test market ones - Same but Different MFG's

    Going National Would also mean (all) New 4k installs going forward -
     
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  5. peds48

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    The HR44 is not going away anytime soon.
     
  6. inkahauts

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    No but if 4K live only comes from the bss satelites then the new lnb will be required. I hope that's what they do. I hate when they don't and then cause bizzare things to happen latter and take for ever to convert when they could have avoided the need to convert in the first place by waiting a few more weeks.
     
  7. slice1900

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    A national launch where the 3DR becomes the standard for all new installs in April (along with the rumors about Directv launching 4K in mid January being totally wrong) makes it more likely 4K uses reverse band from day one, but I don't think that would be smart.

    I don't know how many 4K customers they have now, since there isn't much available there's not much reason to subscribe, but on the other hand there is no "4K fee" today so if you have a 4K TV - especially if it is 4K RVU so you don't even need to ask for a C61K - there's no reason not to have it enabled. All those customers would have to have their LNB replaced between the time the national rollout begins and the time the first 4K broadcasts begin. If they began 4K broadcasts with the Masters, a national launch on April 8th is a bit of a problem since the Masters starts on the 7th (really the 6th since Directv puts up the Masters channels the day before with the par 3 tournament)

    It isn't as though it would be a problem for Directv to contact people down the road when they want to start using reverse band and telling them they need to get their LNB swapped. They could put a crawl on the Ka band 4K channels after they have the reverse band versions up (the firmware could hide the Ka band duplicates if the reverse band ones were available) Isn't that pretty much what they did on the Ku HD channels when they wanted to retire them? Now if they aren't going to start 4K broadcasts until the Summer Olympics, let's say, that would give them enough lead time to get everyone who is signed up for 4K service upgraded.

    If this is the national launch of the 3DR only, and the 5DR won't be available then (and there's still no hint of the legacy reverse band LNB) I think requiring it is a bit premature. What about the people who need 119, or have a world direct dish, etc. I think there's a better chance reverse band is used for mirroring 95* (and maybe 119*) content on April 8th than 4K programming.
     
  8. HoTat2

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    And don't forget the Alaska and Hawaii subs. (and others in CONUS that choose to use it) with the 1.2m AK/HI ODU.

    What are they supposed to do for Reverse Band?

    That dish LNB is only 18v/13v/+tone, legacy type.

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  9. hdtvfan0001

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    Perhaps you're onto something...
     
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  10. WestDC

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    Perhaps - But i never said the Hr44 was going away - I was refering to the LNB used or needed for 4k would not be installed for everyone (NEW) install unless for 4K at first
     
  11. slice1900

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    Installing a reverse band LNB would make total sense for new installs that involve 4K, even if they don't use reverse band for 4K at first. That would reduce the amount of rework later.

    For new customers getting international packages that require 95 or 119 it wouldn't make sense to install a reverse band LNB "in preparation", only when they have that content mirrored. Since we have a (rumored) date for the national release for the 3DR, we have a target date for that as well.
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    That's certainly one potential scenario...then again...there are others.
     
  13. HoTat2

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    I see it as two big questions, yet to be answered in these areas.

    1) With DIRECTV's obvious shift to SWiM integated type LNBFs for almost all residential installs, what is to be done with subscribers that need the WD service at 95W?

    2) Regarding the Reverse Band, how are the MDU and DRE installations to be handled. And how are subs. with the 1.2m AK/HI ODU to receive RB?

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  14. inkahauts

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    How many c61k do you actually think have been installed? I doubt 10k.
     
  15. slice1900

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    Obviously MDU and other >21 tuner installs will be done with a legacy reverse band LNB. The AK/HI customers will be handled by a 3DR (maybe just legacy and a switch, maybe they'll get a SWM21 type version too) Directv can eliminate the need for that second 119 dish if they mirror the 119 content on reverse band, otherwise they have to stick with the legacy LNB only to allow for connecting the 119 dish. But I think Directv wants to get away from that sort of expense and people in Hawaii who pays a lot for their house don't want the unsightly big dish, let alone two of them!

    In fact, if they mirrored all the MPEG2 SD only channels from 101 as well (I wonder how many of those there are...?) and carried the guide data etc. streams somewhere on 99/103 those customers could get by with a Slimline. They only need the big dish because the Ku satellites have weak beams over Hawaii. The Ka/RDBS satellites all have full power over Hawaii so the regular Slimline would be fine if it wasn't for the stuff that is only available on 101.
     
  16. bobnielsen

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    Mirroring 101 and 95 in the reverse band makes a lot of sense, in that it would (or at least could) also get a bunch of SD viewers off 101, getting Directv closer to the ability to convert 101 to MPEG4, and get viewers of international channels off legacy and onto SWMs. Of course, it would limit the amount of spectrum available to 4K but wouldn't be a problem until there is considerable growth in 4K providers (and by that time they could possibly be added on 101, if it weren't for the fact that they cannot be received in AK and HI without the bigger dish).
     
  17. slice1900

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    Mirroring in reverse band won't change anything for SD viewers on 101, since they can't receive reverse band. The only thing this mirroring would help is to simplify new installs.
     
  18. reubenray

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    I will be using the Mover's Plan in March or April. Would it be better to wait until April to get the latest/greatest setup?
     
  19. WestDC

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    The only advantage (if it apply's to you) doing it now may get you the upgrade (IF) you are in the Test area Currently - The RB LNB will not go National until linear broadcast Start maybe in March or april of 2016 - Depending on where you move (AREA) the RB LNB may Not even be able to be installed- until -it goes National.
     
  20. HoTat2

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    Unless you grab one early off ebay or some other of course. ..

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