First Look: DIRECTV C61K 4K Genie Mini Client

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  1. Feb 5, 2016 #241 of 386
    Go Beavs

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    I don't know if your problem is a firmware issue or not. However, if you're interested in testing beta firmware for your DIRECTV receivers, check out iamanedgecutter.com
     
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    Ken776

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    ^ That was the issue. I put in 'IAMANEDGECUTTER' in 'smart search' and bam, I began receiving Channels 900 & 901 with the 4K boxing content.

    Now with that said, I can only assume that once the actual 4K golf broadcasting begins, it will move to a channel that anyone with the proper equipment can receive. After all, who would know to do this nutty workaround to receive their streaming 4K?
     
  3. Feb 5, 2016 #243 of 386
    HoTat2

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    Chs. 900 and 901?

    Not 9800 and 9801?

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  4. Feb 5, 2016 #244 of 386
    TheRatPatrol

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    I wonder if they'll have this in demonstration mode at Costco?
     
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    Ken776

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    Unlikely
     
  7. Feb 5, 2016 #247 of 386
    HoTat2

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    Since I don't see any advertising for this event at all yet by DIRECTV in the media, their Facebook, Twitter, etc., I wonder if this is to be primarily for testing by edgecutter viewers?

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  8. Feb 5, 2016 #248 of 386
    slice1900

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    That's kind of what I was thinking. If this was something everyone with 4K was supposed to be able to receive, there would have been some sort of announcement from Directv in the press.
     
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    slice1900

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    BTW people are reporting this works with a HR44 as well. That's kinda what I expected - there's nothing special about the HR54 aside from its ability to handle bonded transponders, so since these are one channel per one transponder broadcasts they don't require the HR54. If they plan to use bonded transponders for the 'official' rollout I would expect they'll test that at a later date, but as I've been saying for a while it is better to limit your testing to one thing at a time.
     
  10. Feb 5, 2016 #250 of 386
    James Long

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    ... and one would not need a special code to activate the channels. :)
     
  11. Feb 5, 2016 #251 of 386
    HoTat2

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    But if this is indeed to be a test, and it's taking place on the Ka band. Does it indicate that DIRECTV is planning to go the route of rolling out 4K broadcasting initially on the Ka band and later migrate over to the Reverse Band once the equipment for it is widely distributed nationally?

    I know this is what some here have dreaded considering what a mess this approach caused when DIRECTV did this with HD programming from MPEG-2/Ku to MPEG-4/Ka.

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  12. Feb 5, 2016 #252 of 386
    P Smith

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    here ? link ?
     
  13. Feb 5, 2016 #253 of 386
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    Ultimately they have to get everyone on 4K using HR54 and reverse band LNB. But what does it matter if they do that from day one or day 365? There are already customers with 4K enabled on their account who lack either the HR54 or LNB or both. They could probably swap out the Genies without too much trouble, but swapping out the LNB is a problem even after the 3DR is rumored to hit wide release in mid April - what about people who need the 5DR? What about people who would require a legacy LNB due to number of tuners or because they are in a MDU?

    Seems like a no brainer to wait until you have the ability to upgrade customers before forcing them to upgrade. Otherwise you will have customers currently enabled for 4K who had everything Directv told them was required at the time and who had already successfully watch 4K demos, VOD etc. wanting to watch (for example) the Masters in 4K, but when they try to watch it it doesn't work. They call Directv and get told they need an upgrade they can't have, so they're SOL. Not exactly good for customer relations.

    So I don't see them using reverse band for 4K channels until a few months after the legacy reverse band LNB is widely available. They could use bonded transponders at any time since the HR54 is widely available now, but there's no real savings until you reach a half dozen 4K channels. I'm skeptical we see that many this year. But like I said it makes sense to test 4K without bonding first, then try bonding later. So they might require bonding once 'official' 4K broadcasts occur, but if so I would expect them to contact all the customers with 4K service who don't have a HR54 and tell them their Genie needs to be upgraded (and they will lose all their recordings) It would be stupid of them to require the HR54 without giving 4K customers that advance notice.

    I'm assuming the reverse band LNB quickly becomes the standard for all new installs - once it has sufficient availability and they've burned through all their inventory of older LNBs. Certainly it should be the default for new 4K installs as soon as it is widely available, as would an HR54 (the HR54 probably already is the default for 4K installs, maybe peds48 can confirm?) So once the LNB is widely available they wouldn't be adding much to the total number of people they will have to upgrade later.
     
  14. Feb 5, 2016 #254 of 386
    Ken776

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    What is the benefit of using bonded transponders? Higher frame rates?
     
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    From what's been revealed DIRECTV engineers feel they can multiplex three UHD program streams, each at an avg. rate of 15 mb/s over two combined (or "bonded") 36 MHz wide xpndrs.

    That is to say, a ratio of 1.5:1 programs/xpndr, or a 50% increase in spectral efficiency over using single (or "unbonded") xpndrs.

    So for instance if DIRECTV can only fit 1 UHD program on a single xpndr for a total of 36 using all Reverse Band xpndrs on 99(cr) and 103(cr). By combining xpndrs they could fit 36 x 1.5 or 54 UHD programs over 18 bonded xpndrs.

    Or if they could manage to multipex 2 UHD programs on a single xpndr for a total of up to 72. Bonding would allow for up to 72 x 1.5 or 108 etc.

    Not that any of these max. numbers will ever be reached of course, but the concept still holds. Using xpndr bonding is a more spectrallly efficient transmission method though more complex.


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    I have a directv rvu icon already on my Samsung 4k directv ready tv, 1. Will directv simply reactivate the icon if I call them? and 2 will that give me 4k from directv?
     
  17. Feb 5, 2016 #257 of 386
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    I got a mailing from Directv about going out to channel 1102 for everything 4K. I have a hr34(it's slow) hooked to a regular 1080p tv and in the other room I got a RVU Ethernet hooked up to a Samsung 7000's series 4K tv. I was able to get the 4K on the 4K tv. It would not come on for my other Tv's. Those Tv's are not 4K.


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  18. Feb 5, 2016 #258 of 386
    peds48

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    DirecTV will probably want to send a tech to install a broadband DECA. As long as the TV is 4K, you should have access to channel 1102 where all the 4K content is located. Don't forget there is a monthly fee of $6.50 (soon to be $7) for each RVU TV


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  19. Feb 5, 2016 #259 of 386
    peds48

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    Right, that channel will only show on 4K TVs


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  20. Feb 6, 2016 #260 of 386
    P Smith

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    4K VOD, not linear 4K channels

    try 9800 and 9801 and you will be unhappy
     

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