First Look: DIRECTV C61K 4K Genie Mini Client

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  1. Feb 6, 2016 #261 of 386
    P Smith

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    I'm not sure if DTV bosses have same goal
     
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    slice1900

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    Not sure why you think that, because everyone knows that 4K will eventually be using reverse band. Directv doesn't tell people much about their future technology directions, but that is one thing they have stated on several occasions so you can be assured it is true.
     
  3. Feb 6, 2016 #263 of 386
    P Smith

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    I'm hesitating because of very low number of RB DLNBs deployed and the 4K linear channels are here;
    DTV did say many thing before, and many of them did not materialized
     
  4. Feb 6, 2016 #264 of 386
    leww37334

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    diretv will be charging $7 a month in order to use your own tv as a secondary receiver, that should make a great Dish commercial, LOL

    seriously I know about mirroring costs and all that, but it still seems wrong, especially when I am already paying a charge for the receiver already hooked to the tv and the RVU is added simply for 4k content which I will also have to pay for. Amazon 4k and roku 4k is so much simpler, No added equipment at all just select and go.

    also I already have a MODEL # DCA2SRO-18 , due to last unsuccessful 4k install attempt
     
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    NR4P

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    I wouldn't judge 9800 and 9801 at this time. I suspect they are test channels and more work will be done.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2016 #266 of 386
    P Smith

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    as we aware the range does belong test channels area, exactly
     
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    studechip

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    My Costco doesn't even have a dish installed.
     
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    James Long

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    Test channels are here ... nothing real except VOD.

    From a marketing standpoint I can see DIRECTV having a couple of 4K channels on ka and more channels on the reverse band. Put a 4K PPV, a permanent 4K Demo channel and possibly ESPN 4K on ka and once other channels are available put them on RB. Introduce the service in a way that doesn't require an instant change to all the LNBs at 4K customer's homes.

    Once the RB LNB leaves the final testing phase install it along with the service visit to install the C61 and HR54. 4K channels are coming too slowly to rush the technology into place. If there were to be ten 4K channels by summer I could see DIRECTV making the effort to swap the technology. I expect there will only be three or four linear channels this year ... certainly not a flood.

    Slow and steady should work for deployment. The speed of the tech deployment doesn't need to be faster than channel availability. (And by availability, I mean available to DIRECTV for carrage.)
     
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    inkahauts

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    Does dish not charge for the PlayStation as a Joey connection?
     
  10. Feb 6, 2016 #270 of 386
    inkahauts

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    I suspect we may see 10 4K channels by years end.
     
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    James Long

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    They did. They also charge for TVs connected via an app although they only allowed one TV per home to be connected in that way and are getting away from the app based distribution and sticking with proprietary Joey clients.


    I expected one "real" channel by the end of 2015. The market created a couple of channels most can't name without looking up. (Plus NASA UHD. NASA is a public interest channel on satellite.) I do not see ten real channels in the pipeline.
     
  12. Feb 6, 2016 #272 of 386
    slice1900

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    What else could they use reverse band for? Just as with using Ka for HD, they have no choice but to use new bands that current equipment can't receive for new types of content rather than more of the existing types of content.

    They have enough free Ka transponders (with another 8 likely once they clear out SW1) they can delay either reverse band or bonded transponders or both to fit whatever schedule they have in mind. There's no particular reason they should want to use reverse band for 4K at launch, when they already have the ability to deliver it to every customer able to watch 4K VOD today. When they have the ability to upgrade every customer signed up for 4K to receive reverse band, they make it happen pretty quickly since there aren't all that many 4K customers.
     
  13. Feb 7, 2016 #273 of 386
    P Smith

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    There is whole D15 idling; telling you - no needs for the RB ... they will slow try it, not for mainstream packages;
    you shouldn't tell us how fast DTV could switch configs to RB DLNB, you don't know the financial, logistic hurdles...
     
  14. Feb 7, 2016 #274 of 386
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    Well P. Smith, I have to interject here that at least until SW1 is shut down, D15 can't really offer anything more that's not already being provided by D10, and 12 except to mirror programming from 103ca and cb to Puerto Rico subs.

    In fact even future use of it's RB payload 103(cr) is in question with the spectrum rights tied up in legal limbo. Likely why no xpndrs have lit up on it yet ...

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    James Long

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    And you do, specifically for DIRECTV or a DBS operation?

    This is a friendly conversation where people say (without following the script) "I believe based on my knowledge and experience that DIRECTV will ...". As a friendly conversation the final answer is "your guess is as good as mine". Guesses from people with different knowledge bases and experience are certainly welcome ... but as long as the "guess" is plausible polite disagreement should be the limit.

    I consider the concept plausible that some channels will be on ka (very few, leaving plenty of room for everything in HD that DIRECTV doesn't carry) but the bulk of the 4K channels will be on RB. Once the RB LNB is fully approved I expect it to be installed along with HR54s - even if nothing is on RB until late this year or next year. That is my guess. And I consider your guess is as good as mine.
     
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    slice1900

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    Personally I think we might see the channels on 95* mirrored on reverse band in MPEG4 before we see 4K channels that aren't test and aren't also carried in Ka on reverse band. The benefit of doing that would be quite tangible - no more installing the second dish for customers signing up for international package, they'd just give them a reverse band LNB instead.

    That's why the H2x/HR2x are able to see reverse band transponders, something they never did for the SD receivers and Ka.
     
  17. Feb 9, 2016 #277 of 386
    P Smith

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    No one in their mind qualified posts here as official, semiofficial, based in closed internal info ... so, when I'm reading too much arguments I've got a feeling someone pushing the envelope too far - long posts tends to be posed as true.
     
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    P Smith

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    It's more realistic expectation IMO, not the 4K distribution.
     
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    slice1900

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    The mirroring requires only 2 1/2 transponders at most. I don't know why you are fighting against the idea of 4K channels on reverse band. What is the point of putting those on Ka once the reverse band LNB is widely available? I've always said I thought 4K would initially be carried on Ka but would later move to reverse band - the only argument I ever heard against that was people who thought they'd be on reverse band from day one.

    Leaving them on Ka for the long term use up Ka transponders they could be using for new HD channels - or holding in reserve with more PPV channels in the event one of the HD satellites quits working like happened to D10 a year ago. It would also leave them with a ton of reverse band transponders which they couldn't use - it would sure be backasswards to use Ka for 4K and reverse band for HD unless they want to upgrade 15+ million LNBs for all their HD customers!
     
  20. Feb 9, 2016 #280 of 386
    P Smith

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    that RB DLNB upgrade is itching me ... I don't see bold statements or brave moves into RB, something holding them, also it's very small pilot area of deployment, like they reserved such for easy reverse back
     

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