First Look: DIRECTV C61K 4K Genie Mini Client

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  1. Sep 9, 2015 #101 of 386
    HDJulie

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    So, my husband & I bought a 4K TV this past weekend. We started out trying to get YouTube in the spare room where we have a treadmill. He loves YouTube. We started with a new AppleTV with the existing 42" TV in the room. Due to problems with that TV, this did not work & we ended up with a 65" 4K TV in the living room & through the TV swap out dance, a 47" smart TV in the spare room. Anyway, now we have this nice TV & we have the HR44 connected to it. We also have the old 55" TV connected to the same HR44 through component (we have a shared wall between the dining room & living room). We want to get a wireless genie mini to connect to one of these TVs so that we can also use it (the wireless genie mini) with the old 42" to watch TV on the deck if we like. I saw this first look & read that the C61 can output 4K content if it ever exists & thought that might be the thing to get. However, I've seen comments in some of the threads that imply the clients are slower than the actual Genie to what seems to be a significant degree. I was also thinking that between the C61 mini & the TV itself that I would get "upscaled" content that was not 4K but was at least noticeably better than just 1080. Am I wrong in that assumption? Is it also not a good idea to use a client on the main TV because it can be noticeably slower than the server?
     
  2. Sep 9, 2015 #102 of 386
    inkahauts

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    Id get a client. The 61k is not wireless. They aren't quite as fast as the main unit but they aren't snails either. I'm fine with them myself. I don't know if the 61k is slower than the wireless one.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2015 #103 of 386
    HDJulie

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    Well, damn, I didn't realize that (not wireless). Thanks for pointing it out. Do you have the 61k? If so, is it on a 4K TV? If so, does it make the picture better :).
     
  4. Sep 9, 2015 #104 of 386
    peds48

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    The C61K does not make the picture better as it only up-scales 1080p to 4K, and guess what, there is not much on 1080p. Now, your TV does up-scale anything to 4K
     
  5. HDJulie

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    Ah, ok, that I also did not realize. Thanks for the info!
     
  6. I WANT MORE

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    I concur.
    There is NO difference in PQ with the C61k.
    My experience has been that the C61k is every bit as responsive as the HR44.
     
  7. NR4P

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    Your C61K experience is better than mine.
    Agree on the PQ but the HR44 is a tad faster than the C61K. Every now and then I do see a Menu or Guide lag on the C61K. But I wrote "tad". The C61K is pretty good.
     
  8. Oct 6, 2015 #108 of 386
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    slice1900

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    I'm sure they plan to do HDR, but it depends on the broadcasters. NASA will have the first real 4K channel in North America (starting up November 1st, no idea if/when Directv plans to carry it) and they will experiment with various HDR delivery methods. The problem with HDR is that there is no settled standard, so buying a TV that advertises "HDR" is risky - don't spend too much extra to get it because if the standard everyone settles on isn't what your TV supports, its HDR will be unused.
     
  10. Nov 4, 2015 #110 of 386
    bealby

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    I just had the Directv people out to replace my existing mini genie with a 4k mini genie. It did not work.
    I have a Pioneer Elite sc-85 and a Samsung UN65JS8500F 4k TV, all new and all 4k ready.


    The Directv installer was told by his technical support people that Directv does not support 4k on ANY av receivers.
    you have to go directly to the TV.

    This seems nuts,
    Does anyone have Directv running 4k through a receiver?

    Thanks
     
  11. Nov 4, 2015 #111 of 386
    btedford

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    I do, I have a DENON AVR-X3100 and it works perfectly fine but it also has HDCP 2.2 which is a requirement for the 4k Mini to work. Both the TV and the A/V receiver need to support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. The SC-85 has HDCP 1.4 and HDMI 2.0, so it will not show 4k content while plugged into the A/V receiver (or the TV if it doesn't have HDCP 2.2 support.)
     
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  12. Nov 4, 2015 #112 of 386
    marcusadolfsson

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  13. Nov 4, 2015 #113 of 386
    slice1900

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    I don't believe a device able to convert HDCP 2.2 to HDCP 1.4 is permitted under the very strict HDCP 2.2 licensing regulations. Given that HDCP 1.x has been broken so those who wanted to pirate 4K content need only use this device to do so! So HDfury is selling it, but the licensing org may not be aware exactly what they are selling. Yet.

    I recently read about some speculation that HDCP 2.2 had been broken because pirated copies of Breaking Bad in 4K had appeared on torrent sites. I figured it was more likely someone had managed to snag it via hacking the Netflix app on some platform, but a device capable of converting HDCP 2.2 to 1.4 also allow it.

    With such a device out there, it seems pointless to even bother to create 2.2, if anyone can trivially downconvert it HDCP 1.4. Thus I am really skeptical this HDfury product will be sold for long.

    http://www.myce.com/news/is-the-hdcp-2-2-copy-protection-broken-by-movie-pirates-77142/
     
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    peds48

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    Wow, this just got more interesting.....
     
  15. Nov 4, 2015 #115 of 386
    peds48

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    They just sold you a lemon. Hopefully you still have tine to bring it back!.....
     
  16. Nov 5, 2015 #116 of 386
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    I am using a C61K and routing it through a Pioneer vsx1130k and it works perfectly.
    The previous poster is correct about HDCP 2.2 being the issue.
    I had to upgrade from my Pioneer vsx 1023k because it was not HDCP 2.2 compliant and would not work with the D* C61k or the new Amazon 4k FireTv.
     
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  17. Nov 9, 2015 #117 of 386
    kpkingdon

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    Interesting as the AVRX3100W uses a chipset that is not supposed to do HDCP2.2, only HDCP2.0. The AVRX3200W has a newer chipset that supports HDCP2.2. The AVRX3200W works with C61K/HR44 combination and passes 4k content through the AVRX3200W to a 4k/60fps HDMI2.0/HDCP2.2 enabled TV without any problem as I have that combination (TV is a Vizio P602 using HDMI input 5). Maybe late production AVRX3100Ws got an updated chipset which would be a bonus to some lucky individuals although I have not seen anything other than this post which would indicate it happened that way.
     
  18. compnurd

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    Quick question for those with a 4K and a c61. I am well aware the c61 does not upscale. But. Is anyone noticing better PQ with there new tv? On the fence about a 4K this year but if only streaming content is going to look better I am going to hold. I have seen some comments out there the 4K tv s do a crappy job of up scaling 720p
     
  19. AngryManMLS

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    I am having an issue with C61k here. I am having intermittent video/audio freezing/pausing happening especially at night. I've had several techs out who have replaced wires, run signal tests, etc - in other words everything but swap out the C61k for a different unit. Is it possible I have a bad unit? Or is there something else that is being overlooked?
     
  20. HoTat2

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    What model of Genie is feeding the C61K?

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