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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, May 25, 2015.
What difference might owning the DVR make?
Owning it would be that I am in full control of what I physically do to it.
Leasing it, it works and when it doesn't I call them to replace it. I have done this a few times since 1996.
You are not in control of it at all.
They are totally useless without being controlled by Directv.
It doesn't matter what you put under the hood.
Directv changes equipment like people change cell phones they are outdated in 2 years anyway.
How old is that HR24??
OK, so you want to argue today.
Did you see the word "physically" ? The physical box. If I want to I can work on it , change it in anyway that I want, sell it, destroy it if I want to with no consequences. If I lease equipment I am not supposed to do any of those things and you know that.
Anyone knows the boxes are basically worthless with out DTV sending a signal and putting software in them.
The HR24 is a 2012 model and works perfectly.
So you believe that there is a relatively high likelihood that you can repair an HR24 should it fail and that's the deciding factor on whether or not to utilize an eSATA drive?
Again from post #379.
Give it a rest man.
I have no intentions in buying a drive of any kind and hooking it to something I lease.
Adding: I have no intentions of ever owning one of these receivers.
That is where harsh and you agree, He has not shown any intention of ever owning one of these receivers.
Irrelevant. If you don't understand how the technology works, you shouldn't post about it. Applies not only to your lack of Directv knowledge, but also your lack of understanding how SSD garbage collection works and why TRIM is not needed if you used a SSD in a DVR (which is a dumb idea, but not because TRIM is not implemented)
The limit on the H44 is due to Directv requiring their drives, and only offering a 1 TB drive. If they decided to offer a 6 TB drive I'm sure it would work just fine. Whether they'll ever offer larger drives, or someday allow customer provided drives, who knows.
A degree is just a piece of paper as far as I'm concerned, and I have a couple.
I wouldn't call it crippled at all.
Sometimes they are not worth the paper they are written on.
I remember way way back in high school that I had a coach for PE that had a degree in basket weaving. Are you for real ? Mercy !
Then he would not be able to post at all.... !rolling That is his MO after all..... :righton:
People on this forum get too knotted up in confusion about things that don't matter. DTV supports (e)SATA(p); period. Whether it is 1.5, 3, or 6 Gbit/sec doesn't matter as far as use in a DVR. The only place it has any relevance is in non-streaming aspects (software loads (possibly on-the-fly), guide access, etc) and even there it is really irrelevant - in the weeds - of other factors having to do with small memory, slow processor, slow disk seeks, etc.
My crippled comment was relative to using a H44 with a disk and compared to a HR44. When the HR44 has no practical limit on size or supplier. The only reason, IMO, to get a H44 is when it is unlikely that one would add a disk to it. How many people are going to get one without a disk and then add a disk before the model is obsolete? Very few I suspect.
I assume nobody has tried a H44 with a 3rd-party drive (yet). Will be interesting to see if the 1TB is a limit imposed by 1) demanding only a DTV-supplied drive be attached and 2) only a 1TB is available from DTV. In other words, purely marketing play. OR, whether it will actually not recognize a drive of another manufacturer and/or larger size. In other words, enforced in software.
I personally hope they add options for larger drives and even a RAID option. And get rid of HR44 and subsequent models altogether. That is the direction they should be going.
Many people will get an H44 and eventually add a HD to it. The H44 is the answer to non DVR new customer's. Instead of H25's they get this. Then later on when they want a DVR they just get a HD and nothing else is needed. It's simple and customer friendly. The largest reason for customer roll backs in the first 14 days is incorrect equipment. This basically negates that as long as total number of rooms was correct. If someone wanted a DVR but didn't get one they just ship a HD out. No more customer waiting on an install and the customer gets what they wanted. As far as HD size? Have you seen the competitions HD sizes? Ignoring TiVo only DISH really competes. Most companies have 1/10th the size in comparable units. The vast majority of consumers don't care about HD size when factoring in provider decisions. Even the % of people on here with raids is small enough that it doesn't factor in. Perhaps you can explain what makes the H44 superior to the HR44 that it would warrant it being gotten rid of?
I will say that the H44 hard drive limit is not due to DirecTV only offering that size (knowledge, not speculation). Why that limit was imposed, I do not know. It is an intentional limitation imposed on the H44, and I do not expect it to change.
This, and everything else you said in your post is right on target. The H44 will never go to a customer who starts out wanting a DVR. It is extremely doubtful an H44 would ever end up with a so called "power user" like found on these forums. That just isn't what it was designed or intended for. And a 1TB drive will be more than sufficient for any customer that does end up with an upgraded (to DVR) H44. If they ever do outgrow that, as unlikely as that is to happen, then the HR44 (or subsequent product) would be the direction for them to go.
I'd believe Carl's view over mine at about 5:1, but I remain hopeful that larger HD's may be allowed.... On the other hand, it makes a lot of sense that they ( DIRECTV) won't based on a number of simplicity factors! And I'd guess the majority of subs—probably over 80%—have no need nor desire for more than a TB of HDD space, at least until 4K comes to be the norm. So, mark me hopeful but doubtful!