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First Look: Directv HD DVR Networking Kit

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by bobnielsen, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. Feb 16, 2008 #21 of 105
    bobnielsen

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    Bainbridge...
    If you have a powerstrip without any filtering or surge protection, it would probably work, although with the tii powerstrip you get both EMI filtering and surge protection (the HomePlug circuitry is probably between that circuitry and the power cord. I haven't seen any other brands which have a powerstrip version.

    You would need one (of either type) at each end of the circuit. Additional connections would require one device each (up to 16 total).
     
  2. Feb 17, 2008 #22 of 105
    NR4P

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    You raise some good questions and after going into the site, it is confusing.
    Its possible people will order one $35 wall mount and then not be able to use it. The site has this other yes/no check box and it's possible you could end up with either..
    1- $35 wall mount or
    1- $60 power strip

    Since it reads as though the power strip doesn't include an extra wall device as I read it, to get one DVR up and running for someone without any PLC's, you will need a combination of

    2-$35 wall mounts
    or
    1-$35 wall mount and 1-$60 power strip
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    2-$60 power strips.

    That's my takeaway after putting things in/out of my shopping cart.
    But if someone has ordered and received products, and can share more, please do so.
     
  3. Feb 17, 2008 #23 of 105
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    I hope its 2-35 dollar ones and not just one...because if i could have gotten away with 35 bucks instead of trying to hook up this darn GA, i'll be mad lol
     
  4. Feb 17, 2008 #24 of 105
    bobnielsen

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    Yes, you will need two devices, one for the router and another for the DVR. The web site has been redone and is a bit more clear on this.
     
  5. Feb 19, 2008 #25 of 105
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    These questions are probably answered elsewhere; my apologies if they are duplicates that I could have found answers to with a little more forum searching. But here are my questions:

    1. Generally, is the DirecTV HD DVR Network Installation Kit more reliable than a wireless network? I have a Linksys WRT54GS wireless router hooked to my computer and was thinking of getting the Linksys WGA54G wireless-G gaming adapter to hook to my HR20-700. But that seems to be a potentially complicated process, judging by other posts on here (I'm a only-slightly-beyond-novice networker), and I know from my PS3 that I'll only get a connection strength of about 60% to 75% where the HR20-700 is. Will that be enough, or is the powerline solution a more robust one for me?

    2. Can I use this powerline solution to network my PS3?

    3. If so, what all do I need? If I get the $35 wall plug for the router and the $60 powerstrip for the HR20, can I just pug the PS3 into the powerstrip or would it need an additional $35 plug?

    Thanks for any and all help you all can provide!
     
  6. Feb 19, 2008 #26 of 105
    BubblePuppy

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    You will need one unit for the router and then one for each item you want to plug into the wall sockets. The power strip only has one unit built into it. You can plug a switching unit into one unit then you can run several items off of that.
     
  7. Feb 19, 2008 #27 of 105
    JasonC23

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    Thanks, BubblePuppy! Most helpful. :)

    Does anyone have any thoughts on the reliability of this vs a wireless network? Since 2 units from DirecTV cost the same as the Linksys wireless gaming adapter I was looking at, it's now down to which is easier to set up and which works better and more consistently. I'd appreciate any thoughts, or any links to where this discussion has already taken place.
     
  8. Feb 19, 2008 #28 of 105
    BubblePuppy

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    Once you have your router set up the power line units are essentially plug and play. I love mine and had the system up and running in about 10-15 minutes with the longest time being opening the boxes. I have read here that because the powerline units are basically wired units that they are faster than the wireless systems.
     
  9. Feb 19, 2008 #29 of 105
    JasonC23

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    Once again, thank you, BubblePuppy! :)
     
  10. Feb 19, 2008 #30 of 105
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    Did you get an ans. & if so what was it ? I was planing to use a " Crossover Adapter" on the modem to feed the PLA & the computer :(
     
  11. Feb 19, 2008 #31 of 105
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    See the above posts.
     
  12. Feb 19, 2008 #32 of 105
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    JasonC23:

    1. It may work fine, or may not. I had problems with wi-fi networking where the path went about 60 feet, but it went through several walls, two of them with foil-backed insulation. Once I found the "hot spot" location for the remote bridge, it worked fine for music, photos and On Demand, but Media Share video would play for a few seconds, pause and then play for a few more seconds, etc. There were enough missed data packets that it couldn't keep up the throughput at the higher data rate used by video. I don't know the actual signal levels.

    2. Yes.

    3. The powerstrip has 6 electrical outlets but only one ethernet connection. With a HR21 you can use the second ethernet connection for an additional device, such as a PS3. You could also use an ethernet switch or two of the adapters (the system supports up to 16 devices). Netgear makes a compatible wall-mount powerline device (XE104) with four ethernet connections (but it costs more than you would pay for two of the Directv wall-mount adapters).
     
  13. Feb 19, 2008 #33 of 105
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    You will need a router. If non-wireless models are still available, they should be relatively inexpensive.
     
  14. Feb 19, 2008 #34 of 105
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    OK...may have been asked already.

    Here's the quandry. I want Ethernet going into both the Hr20 & a Wii (maybe even the HD DVD player until those features finally dry up).

    Computer/DSL modem on other end of the house.

    Can I run a router from living room powerline adaptor then out to the HR20, Wii, etc?
     
  15. Feb 19, 2008 #35 of 105
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    With a powerline unit for each item or a powerline into a switcher. Some powerline units have more than one output so you can connect mulitple items to one powerline unit.
     
  16. Feb 19, 2008 #36 of 105
    NR4P

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    I had to do something similar. The key for media sharing from the HR20 is that is must be seeing the same subnet off the router that the PC is connected to.

    1. Get a pair of PLC's.
    2. Connect 1 of the PLC's to one of the routers hard wired ports.
    3. At the other end of where the HR20 and Wii is, put the other PLC there.
    4. Into the remote PLC connect a 5 or 8 port SWITCH. Not a router!
    5. Plug the HR20 and Wii into the Switch.

    I use the D-Link DES-1108 and have two items plugged in at the remote end. The DES-1108 has 8 ports and as a switch does not do any DHCP assigments. Therefore the HR20 and other devices are off the same LAN/Subnet as the router.
    Also cool about the DES-1108 is that it has auto crossover sensing. Just use regular ethernet cables.

    The DES-1108 or the 1105 can be had for $19 or less with shopping.
     
  17. Feb 20, 2008 #37 of 105
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    Thanks, Bob! I appreciate your thorough responses.

    Not that anybody cares...but in looking at the outlet situation around my entertainment center, I'd need to buy a powerstrip for that location. Adding in that cost to the wall-mount for the router would actually push the price above the wireless adapter. So I think I'm going to try the wireless adapter first, as long as I can return it if it doesn't work. It's good to know I have a probably-reliable alternative if I can't figure that out. :)
     
  18. Feb 20, 2008 #38 of 105
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    Thanks!

    Just to confirm then......as of right now I have NO router, just the DSL modem that AT&T gave me. I will then need 1 router & 1 switch?

    So a router on the PC end = from modem to router, from router to PLC & PC (in office).

    In living room, from 2nd PLC to switch, from switch to HR20, Wii, etc.

    Or can the above mentioned router be replaced w/ another switch?
     
  19. Feb 20, 2008 #39 of 105
    bobnielsen

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    You need a router instead of a switch because the router will use the IP address supplied by your ISP and you will have an internal network managed by the router, providing your own set of private addresses for all the devices on that network (Usually in the 192.168.x.x range). A switch can be used to add additional devices to a network, but cannot provide the NAT (network address translation) needed.

    IF your ISP will supply you with multiple IP addresses you could use a switch, but that normally results in a much higher monthly cost. The router will also provide a firewall through the NAT process. Otherwise, what you are planning should work.
     
  20. Feb 20, 2008 #40 of 105
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    Cool. Thanks, Bob.

    DirecTvs "kit" is on the way. Router for office, switch for living room components are being looked at now.

    Figure I will try the "direct" connection--disconnect ethernet from PC & directly connect modem to the PLC, then attach the other PLC to wall outlet & direct to HR20, then Wii to see how it all performs.

    My HDA2's HD DVD web features/FW updates all worked flawlessly & disc feature stuff DL'ed rather fast when I ran the line from modem to it a while back, so I'm optimistic.
     

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