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Food police confiscate 4-year old’s lunch, bill parents

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I know about home schooling... I was really just asking why someone would draw the line at lunch inspection as if that was the first intrusion by government into kids' lives. The inference in that statement was that this school lunch thing was the "first" instance of control attempted. I was just asking why there wasn't then constant outrage at the whole concept of public school, since that already is more intrusion.

    I'm not necessarily saying I'm outraged at public school... I'm not happy with it either, but not outraged.

    That ties into my point. A lot of parents like school as an alternate "free" babysitter... so they don't see it as "control" since they want to get their kids out of the house all day... and most parents don't seem to care what is on the curriculum, or at least they don't make an effort to know... so then sudden/surprise outrage over a lunch issue like this makes me wonder if people aren't just jumping on a bandwagon rather than having an actual issue with the policy.

    I hear you... and actually agree... I just wonder (as I did above) where this outrage is the rest of the time. I'm not talking about you... I'm talking about the media and people in general. Most seem to have their head in the sand or not care... then something like this bubbles up and gets blown out of proportion... and then it will fade away again.

    Nobody made a big stink that I'm aware of over dairy farmer subsidies basically resulting in milk becoming part of the school lunch program. Yeah, it may also be good for you... but don't think for a moment that the real reason for milk in school isn't because the government has to buy milk anyway because of the dairy farmer subsidies agreements.

    Same reason some schools were having Pepsi or Coke... because they would make a deal with those companies... again, not because of the health of kids... and I like me some Pepsi... but I don't like that they can buy their way into a public school lunch.
     
  2. cj9788

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    What parent even a parent who smokes pot (like myself) is not going to support just say no to drugs? Hypocritical of me sure but I do not want my or any kids using drugs. There is a time and a place for that and it is called college. Just like I do not think it is a government intrusion to limit tobacco products to 18. So I guess I do have a line when it comes to intrusion. Why I do not feel the same way about junk food is beyond me. I have three boys all under 14 and they are fit and healthy. they eat all veggies they run and play outside all the time and we eat fast food maybe 3 times a week. usually on the weekends or the fast food breakfast in the morning before school. Not my fault if the parents of FAT kids do not know how to instill good eating habits to their offspring. The schools are definitely no place for forcing a USDA approved lunch over whatever a parent sends healthy or otherwise. I personally belive that the parents of morbidly obese children are committing child abuse and maybe that is where lawmakers need to focus their attention.

    As to the presidential fitness awards I do not see any problem with that nor do I see it as an intrusion. it is more of an incentive to kids to get one of those cool patches. hell my kids school do not even participate in the program and excuse many FAT kids from PE because they get picked last or get picked on. Again not my problem, the parents of those fat kids need to stop running to the schools and demanding that their kids be excused from PE or demand sensitivity training because their kids are getting picked on. in fact the school sent home an announcement last year about sensitivity training about name calling and some other nonsense and i promptly planned a family outing for that day. My kids go to school to learn reading writing and arithmetic. Not some touchy feely crap.

    Once my youngest son was getting bullied I went to school and talked to teacher, they did nothing, so I told my son he had my permission to fight back. He did and and messed up the kids nose. They wanted to give my son a 10 day suspension but I had documented my attempt to get the school to resolve the issue, when they insisted on the suspension I called the police and filed a report because the bully was in the 6th grade and my son was in the 3rd grade. It was funny how the suspension and the other child's parents demands that I pay the medical bills disappeared after that.
     
  3. sigma1914

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    cj9788... So government involvement in school is ok sometimes? Like when you involved the government by calling the police? Or forcing anti drug use programs on kids? Hmm, doesn't that go against your views of sending your kids to school to just learn reading, writing, and arithmetic?
     
  4. cj9788

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    :eek2: Well there is always one out there.

    I mentioned I was hypocritical. About the drugs and i gave a very clear reason as to why I do not consider just say no an intrusion.

    As to calling the police that is what they are there for. and your comment is just plain silly.
     
  5. sigma1914

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    How's it silly? Those programs are just a start, ;) which you're worried about here. I just don't understand why government intrusion is ok sometimes, but not others.

    I do admire your admission to hypocrisy. I'm very hypocritical at times. Also, please note I'm not questioning your parenting at all, I'm just discussing things.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    I don't find involving the police in a bullying situation to be hypocritical... We had another thread about that.

    It is interesting, though, and at least he self-admitted... that he is ok with the anti-drug campaign but not ok with other health-related campaigns.

    I admit that I find some school endeavors better than others... they aren't horrible at everything after all!

    But... government involvement is government involvement... so for anyone that pipes up with the "stay out of my business" position, I expect such a person to be consistent... and I'm usually not surprised to find that consistency lacking.

    People are people after all. It boils down usually to...

    If I agree with you, "yay"... if I disagree with you, "stay out of my business and stop trying to control me"... even if at the core, the same measure of "control" is present in both scenarios.
     
  7. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Mr. Vernon, you just:

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  8. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    Hammertime?

    Took a pounding?
     
  9. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    That'd be:

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    Ok, sorry. :backtotop
     
  10. cj9788

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    LOL guys I just hate all the BS that is being directed at fatty foods first from special interest groups then the politicians that get $$ to agree to a certain position even though it makes no sense at all. I have reread my previous posts and i can see how i have come across as anti government which is not the case at all. I am pro police yet think they abuse their powers at times. I hate gun control and think marijuana should be legal but not harder drugs. I think the highway speed limits should be 90 MPH or no restrictions at all in rural open road areas. I think if an 18 year old can die for his country, or be charged as an adult in court then they should be able to buy booze. I oppose food stamps and think they are a financial alternative rather than a crutch to be used during a hard time. Yet I oppose any restrictions on what food (only) items people can buy with them or drug tests without cause to get them. I am pretty much all over the map. Trying to find the right balance of less intrusive government in our lives is difficult because everyone has a different point of view on where the government should or should not butt in.....
     
  11. SeaBeagle

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    Nothing wrong with freedom of speech. Ths country is based on that consent.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    I can see where you are coming from. On a personal level, I have no problem with government studies that set "guidelines" and encourage people to educate themselves about what they eat and make suggestions... but I too draw a line on them mandating things.

    I don't always eat healthy... but I do know when I'm not, and it's my choice at that time.

    I admit this one has seemed weird to me as well. For full disclosure, I do not drink nor have I ever... but I don't understand how the drinking age is 21, but other important adult decisions are legal at 18.

    I grant that it is drawing a somewhat arbitrary line in the sand determining when someone is "mature"... but it is even more arbitrary when you separate things like you noted a few years apart.

    And see, that statement right there is one I can agree with... As you said, you admit to being on both sides at times. I think that any reasonable person will realize that there are few absolutes in the world... and that most of us fall on both sides of the fence depending on the specifics of the situation.

    It's the absolutists who refuse to see and admit that they are being hypocritical that bug me.
     
  13. Supramom2000

    Supramom2000 In Loving Memory of Onyx-2/23/09

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    Just to add a few of my "2 cents":

    My daughter is 6 and in 1st grade. The child involved in the story is 4 and they say she is in kindergarten. Since you cannot start kindergarten until age 5, I would assume she is actually in pre-school. My 6 year old brings her lunch every day. I pack her a half of a cheese sandwich and either 3 apple slices or 3 carrot slices. I used to send chips and ice water as well. We found out she was not finishing her lunch in time and eating it on the bus home from school. Many times, she was sharing it with several other kids.

    My point being if my 6 year old does not have time to eat more than 2 small items, how on earth could a 4 year old finish all those items the school wants to see in their lunches?

    Also, as an aside, my husband used to ticket left lane road hogs who were impeding the flow of traffic.
     

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