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For once Swanni's right: This isn't "HD," FOX!

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Lord Vader, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Oct 25, 2010 #61 of 120
    Hutchinshouse

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    Could be better, like in 1080i on TBS. :D FOX has yet to impress me like TBS, CBS (Los Angeles) or NFL Network. Those channels (sat feeds) on a scale of 1 to10 are a 10. Fox is a 7 at best.
     
  2. Oct 25, 2010 #62 of 120
    Santi360HD

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    oh make no mistake...I do not deny...that it CAN be better NO DOUBT!!!...but Swanni's prophecy on 720p not being HD ?? really labels him as a blithering idiot who does not know what the efffff he is talking about...
     
  3. Oct 25, 2010 #63 of 120
    hdtvfan0001

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    I'm of the firm belief that none of the networks broadcasting sports help their case by injecting a number of SD cameras in the midst of mostly HD cameras - and then promoting the daylights out of the program being in HD.

    I've seen a number of various sports events with obvious SD cameras in action, muddying up the visuals considerably.

    Other than that....720p, 1080i, 1080p - its all HD and 99% of the time a joy to view.
     
  4. Oct 25, 2010 #64 of 120
    Stewart Vernon

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    You're really just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand where YOU want to draw it. Many movies have 4K and 8K masters today that are far superior to their broadcast 1080i/p or Blu-ray releases. Also anything shot on 35mm film is far superior resolution than today's broadcasts by a LONG shot.

    But you won't hear me screaming that 1080p is therefore not HD because 4K and 8K and film are much better. That just wouldn't make sense.

    By definition, 720p and 1080i and 1080p are different approved HD resolutions by all who were involved in the creation of that spec. Again, we can argue which is or looks better... but we can't argue that they are all HD by the very definition of the technical specs.
     
  5. Oct 25, 2010 #65 of 120
    Richierich

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    AMEN BROTHER BEN!!! You hit the Nail on the Head!!! :)
     
  6. Oct 25, 2010 #66 of 120
    Richierich

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    +1. Well stated.

    Alot of shots are from SD Cameras for Crowd Shots into the Stadium so they can save on Camera Expenses. 720P done right is really as Good as 1080I but done wrong both will not look as good as they should.
     
  7. Oct 25, 2010 #67 of 120
    Hoosier205

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    I believe the information on SD camera use is actually incorrect now.
     
  8. Oct 26, 2010 #68 of 120
    Maruuk

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    The worst perp ever in the SD/HD cam mix was NBC Sports PGA Tour '09 when they would constantly cut between SD and HD cams from shot to shot. Brutal.

    The worst offenders have finally gone to all HD but you still see a little of it in minor sports presentations.

    Sadly, the world will be stuck viewing the entire World Series in 720p ED on Fox Blur-o-Vision. Gonna be a lotta folks banging their sets and going to optometrists wondering what happened to the detail of their perfectly good 1080p set. Especially folks who had seen the TBS Pennant series in stunning actual 1080i HD. Note to any cheaters who are taking their skanks to the games: Don't worry, nobody at home will be able to make out your face in 720p!
     
  9. Oct 26, 2010 #69 of 120
    hdtvfan0001

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    Two words: Urban Legend.

    The view will be great here...I didn't get cheap equipment, and what I have is calibrated, tuned, or whatever folks want to call it. ;):D
     
  10. Oct 26, 2010 #70 of 120
    Richierich

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    My View Looks Great and I don't have that Blur-O-Vision so maruuk must have paid Extra to get that Blur-O-Vision thingy as I don't have it but of course my LG Display Device has a Great Scaler in it and just displays Great Pictures so maybe Marauk got a Cheap Display Device at a discounted price from somewhere like Wally World.
     
  11. Oct 26, 2010 #71 of 120
    Hoosier205

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    720p HD. I blame your poor experience on an improper calibration, possibly inferior equipment, and a severe lack of knowledge on the subject.
     
  12. Oct 26, 2010 #72 of 120
    harsh

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    How many here are using HDTV tuners to watch the game?

    Are you saying that HDTV (or even DIRECTV) tuners can somehow be fine tuned or otherwise adjusted to avoid a fuzzy picture on Fox HD broadcasts?
     
  13. Oct 26, 2010 #73 of 120
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    Not to make an issue out of it. If a TV is properly calibrated, you will see fine detail. My TV is fully calibrated, I can see the difference from 720p and 1080i. The ones that cannot see a difference may not have a properly calibrated TV. Crank the sharpness, crank contrast, you won’t see a difference. Dial in sharpness and contrast, the difference is clear. I do agree with you, 720p is HD, just not as clear as 1080i.
     
  14. Oct 26, 2010 #74 of 120
    Richierich

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    Well Stated My Friend!!!
     
  15. Oct 26, 2010 #75 of 120
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    Hm, more and more guys admitting upon careful observation that 720p is not as detailed an image as 1080i.

    That would make guys who say it makes no difference to PQ...wrong. Hm. Interesting.
     
  16. Oct 26, 2010 #76 of 120
    Richierich

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    Well, in some Views 720P is Better such as resolving fast moving objects but in other cases 1081I is Better so I watch both as I have Selected Native On but I Never have the problems you report so you should come over and watch my Display Device and show me what you don't like.

    I'm always Open To Enlightenment as I was a Certified ISF Calibrator but no longer need to work so I just lurk and listen with amusement.
     
  17. Oct 26, 2010 #77 of 120
    Hutchinshouse

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    +1
    I use native too. I let my TV’s video processor do the heavy lifting. :D

    "no longer need to work". Can I have some money. :lol:
     
  18. Oct 26, 2010 #78 of 120
    Hoosier205

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    The issue is your claim that 720p is not HD, when of course it is. You're wrong as usual. Have you ever been right? Ever? Just once?
     
  19. Oct 26, 2010 #79 of 120
    Richierich

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    How much do you Need as I have more Money than I could spend in a Lifetime unless I became crazy as I spend my money very Frugally and I think carefully about all major financial purchases and investments.

    But how can your Display Device do the Heavy Lifting if you are passing it thru as I do with Native On? It is just passing 720P thru so your display can display it as 720P unless you tell your display device to do something differently as in Scaling it to a Different Resolution.
     
  20. Oct 26, 2010 #80 of 120
    sigma1914

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    I just need $500 to get the TV I keep eying!

    I take back my FSU comments. ;)
     

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