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Forever Stamps

Discussion in 'The OT' started by juan ellitinez, May 9, 2006.

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  1. May 9, 2006 #1 of 29
    juan ellitinez

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    say good bye to postage increases!!!
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-05-03-stamp-usat_x.htm



    errr not reallyWould-be stamp hoarders, be aware: The Postal Service is likely to limit the quantities of forever stamps bought at any one time, Goldway said.

     
  2. May 9, 2006 #2 of 29
    Opynion

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    One of my relatives recieved a mail without postage, my other relative forgot to place the postage stamp and also forgot to write the return address on the envelope, so the letter had no where & no place to go but to the only address on the envelope :lol:
     
  3. May 9, 2006 #3 of 29
    KingLoop

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    Postage Stamps, The next big investment.
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    Must've had some nice mail people. It could have gone to the dead letter office.
     
  5. May 9, 2006 #5 of 29
    SamC

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    The Postal Service has no control over costs. It is under the control of its unions, who make work for themselves by having junk mail rates set at fractions of cents per ton. If the post office only handled wanted mail, it could get rid of 75% of its delivery infastructure, including workers, and charge less than 25 cents per letter. It is also forced by Congress to maintain offices in every small town in the country, when modern transportation dictates that many could be closed.

    As to the stamps, its really something the rest of the world has had for a long time. What they really mean is that stamps will just not have a price on them, just "one first class unit" and the price will be raised now and then.

    I really doubt that anybody is going to go out and buy a lifetime of stamps in one pop.
     
  6. Opynion

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    Strange things happen sometimes with the mail, sometime ago I heard on the news about a lady recieving a letter that was sent to her many years ago, like if that letter had been in the twilight zone;
    and my relative who recieved the letter without postage, once recieved a letter very soon, in two days from a place she always recieved letters within a week,
    and she dreamed her late mother, telling her that she had a mail in the box, next morning when she woke up, she checked the mailbox and her dream came true,
    maybe that's how she recieved the letter without postage, like if it was a miracle, she was always talking about miracles :nono2:
     
  7. Tom in TX

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    Can you point to me where I can get those low rates? I send out "junk mail", and pay alot more than "fractions of cents per ton"!

    Tom in TX
     
  8. juan ellitinez

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    The real trouble with the postal service is EMAIL..nobody sends first class letters any more(especially businesses) more and more bills are being paid online too. soon the postal service will be no more than another package delivery service
     
  9. bobsupra

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    It's too bad some post without facts. The unions don't set rates, the Postal Rate Commission does (which is Republican controlled). Reducing mail volume by taking out "junk mail" will not eliminate or significantly reduce delivery costs. Letter Carriers still have to go to every delivery stop to deliver mail, regardless of how much volume is involved...it doesn't matter if there is one piece or ten pieces, the cost of delivery is the same...and in fact, if "junk mail" were eliminated, the cost of first class would escalate to cover the cost of just that one piece. There would be no reduction in the number of carriers, who average 500-600 delivery stops per day. The number of carriers grow as houses and apartments and business are established.

    The elimination of "junk mail" would NOT reduce first class to 25 Cents per piece. Economics 101 (something someone should take before making wild, unsupported comments) dictates that if one has a built-in infrastructure (plants and post offices), customer expectations of a certain service level, and a reduced volume/sales, then the cost per piece goes up dramatically.

    While certainly small Post Offices are maintained, in part, due to political pressure, elimination would not save much in transportation as most of these office do not have street delivery. Elimination of small offices would only mean customers would have to travel further to do business.

    The idea of the "Forever Stamp" is NOT commonly used in other Postal Services, worldwide. The concept of the "Forever Stamp" was suggested by the Postal Rate Commission a couple of years ago, and, from the standpoint of the Postal Service is a good thing. Think about it. You buy a "Forever" stamp today at 39 cents and don't use it for two to three years. During that time, the Postal Service has the money, but has not had to expend any costs. It's like an interest free loan to them until it is used (or lost in a drawer by the buyer).
     
  10. Nick

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    The...
    Q1: If the idea of a "forever" stamp catches on, what on earth would we do with all those
    1¢, 2¢ & 3¢ stamps stuck together in the bottom of our collective drawers? :confused:

    Q2: How many pages of postal regs will it take to define "forever"? :shrug:
     
  11. bobsupra

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    I recall one of the favored "Accounting Tricks" employed by the Postal Service was when doing their annual P&L statement, they would "estimate" what they called "PHOP" which means Postage in the Hands of the Public. It was always a wild guess as to the amount and was treated as an Accounts Payable. One could raise or lower that amount, depending on what bottom line profit or loss one wanted to show that year (which then led to a rate case for an increased stamp price). They should have called it SSITD (Stamps Stuck in the Drawer).

    The rewrite of their regulations will be fun. Defining forever is like Clinton defining "Is." I still love his Grand Jury testimony about the definition of "is"
     
  12. Bogy

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    SamC starts out correct, but then quickly goes off the track. A huge cost for the postal service is fuel. The price of fuel has skyrocketed. The cost of transportation is driving up many other costs. Why should mail be any different?
     
  13. bobsupra

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    Sam C did not start out correct by saying the Postal Service has no control over it's cost. During the last five years, it has reduced its workforce by 70,000 employees, taken out over a billion in costs per year (that is compounded, by the way), and reacted well to the economic downturn in the early 2000's. You're right that gasoline increases hit the Postal Service, like every one else. For every penny increase in gas, the Postal Service pays an additional one million per year.
     
  14. Bogy

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    I'll accept your correction. SamC was wrong from the very beginning. :D
     
  15. bobsupra

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    Okay, I got the message, Bogy. Bob rant off.
     
  16. djlong

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    I can speak from experience on Postal matters as my wife is a Postal employee.

    The only way that the USPS can say that they have reduced the workforce by 70,000 is to not include the temp/casual workers. They're not counted as Postal Employees and that's where a lot of the work goes.

    Believe me when I tell you that an example of a contribution to high postal rates is when union postal employees refuse to do work and make casuals do it. They will sit around and do almost nothing for an entire shift, in the worst cases.

    The plant that my wife works at used to be operated by Emery Air Worldwide, under contract to do Priority mail for the USPS. They could handle, during the big Christmas rush, ONE MILLION pieces in a given night. Since then, the USPS 're-took-over' the facility (hence the reason my wife is a Postal employee). Within a year, with MORE people working at the plant, the unions were complaining that they were overworked to process 300,000 pieces on a given night. More personnel, but only 1/3 the net results. What was different? The postal unions got in. Lots of people left in disgust because other postal employees came in and shoved out long-time workers. My wife only BARELY made it in because of her high score on the postal exam (which she described as "Study to be a butcher, take a test to be a baker and you end up a candlestick maker").

    The unions in that are are evil. No other way to put it. Evil. They get to break the law, harass non-union employees at a whim.. One even assaulted my wife (thrown mail) but had his buddies all ready to swear he was in the union break room at the time. This is *supposed* to be a "security escorts you out the door immediately" offense. But not when a union crony does it. The union fights for the rights of workers to show up drunk. The union uses their public bulletin board to harass non-union workers and give out private information and encourages vandalism against the property of non-union workers. The union even had the audacity to proclaim how all non-union personell were scabs and how the union got them their jobs (interesting how my wife was there BEFORE the union) and got them raises (interesting since my wife got a pay CUT when the USPS took over).

    THAT is your United States Postal Service.
     
  17. RichW

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    It still amazes me that for only 39 cents I can send a letter to virtually anywhere in the USA, even to the backwoods of Montana. I can't even get a cup of coffee these days for that price.

    I can bulk mail my non-profit newsletter for even less.

    But one reason bulk mail gets a price break is because they do a bundle presort. Handling a 50-count bundle takes much less effort than handling 50 individual letters. Bulk mail pays the freigh, just like it used to for UPS who handled a lot of sample packages (toothpaste, etc) when I had a college job with the parcel service. Depending upon where you live, the USPS can actually deliver packages faster than UPS for less cost.

    I am proud of our Post Office and its employees. My local mail carrier is part of our community and watches out for us beyond just delevering mail.

    Sure, email is even faster and better, but it is not universal as the US Mail is.
     
  18. Bogy

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    djlong, you have told your story a number of times, and I have to say that I think it has to do as much with where you live as with postal unions. It hasn't worked that way any of the places I have worked.
     
  19. RichW

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    Anyone who would hoard these new stamps to save money later would be better off investing in the market instead.

    First Class Mail Rate:
    1976 = 13 cents, 2006 = 39 cents (average 10% increase a year)

    Dow-Jones Industrials
    1976 = 1004, 2006= 11000 (average 36% increase a year)
     
  20. Opynion

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    E-mails are cheaper than long distance calls, people with only local phone service can send e-mails, the cost is just like making a local call and e-mails don't require postage stamps :rolleyes:
     
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