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Fox HD a pixelated mess on both DVRs

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Volman, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. putty469

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    Fox was horrible Thursday night for Bones and was also dropping out yesterday during the Rams/Jags game. When the wife comments, you know it's bad...
     
  2. TomCat

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    It could be weather related. The FOX gamesite uplink site for backhaul, the FOX downlink, the local reception by DTV of your local station and backhaul of that to the re-uplink site for DTV, the final uplink itself, and your downlink site are all potential contributors, although I think we may have ruled out Brriiips due to local reception. But not counting them out, the game goes at least 92,000 miles through space plus DTV reception and backhaul, and there was a lot of weather out there, especially at Yankee stadium.

    There is not a lot of ways to improve transmission through hostile environments. Changing weather will change reception. The signal was probably perfect as originally uplinked in either case, and perfect enough for stations to receive and retransmit. FOX has a very sound transmission infrastructure, and the weakest link is gamesite uplinks. But even that is stronger than the DTV infrastructure following it that sits between your local station and your LIL sat channel. My guess is that if fingers should be pointed, DTV is where they should point.

    If the brrrippps magically disappear during commercials, the gamesite uplink is probably plagued with bad weather, although OTA customers don't get brriiips, only MPEG-4 DBS customers do, so who's problem is that to fix? The ATSC system is robust enough to tolerate these imperfections in the signal, but the MPEG-2/MPEG-4 DBS system apparently is not so robust.

    About the only thing FOX could do is increase the FEC at the gamesite location if the weather is bad, which they do, but this can affect how many bits are left for quality (IOW, raising the FEC higher can lower the overall quality) so they do that very judiciously.
     
  3. jcloudm

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    I get the Denver Fox 31 HD feed as well, and the BRRRIIPP problem is so bad tonight during Glee that I'm having trouble following the dialogue. I've noticed an increasing frequency of this as well. It's the only local network that has this problem.
     
  4. cygnusloop

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    Absolutely horrible on KDVR FOX 31 in Denver tonight during Glee. The first segment was OK, but after that the BRRRIIIPPPs were so frequent it was near impossible to understand what was being said. They were occurring every 5-10 seconds, no hyperbole.

    Calls to the station have been met with absolute bewilderment. This sucks...
     
  5. Rich

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    Nothing on the NYC Fox channel. No pauses, just one video dropout during the last game. It's gotta be Fox itself that's at fault, don't you think? By the way, on the first Yankees game against the Angels my briipps were BRIIPPS. Incredibly loud. Sounded as if my plasma was being torn asunder (finally got a chance to throw that $5 word into a post).

    Rich
     
  6. Rich

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    I have to wonder how much the switch from analog to digital affected the stations themselves. Perhaps this is a byproduct of that switch.

    Rich
     
  7. Bsquared

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    Same problem here at the Green Bay Fox station, WLUK. Glee last night was a mess! I have noticed the problem a few times with Glee, not so much with live sports. Frustrating to say the least.
     
  8. kfcrosby

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    The problem has been isolated to the Motorola receivers that most all the FOX affiliates use, so they should have a code fix for it soon.

    We may get lucky and find that this also fixes the other problems!

    Kevin
     
  9. cygnusloop

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    Interesting, and plausible I suppose. Can you share the source of this information?
     
  10. kfcrosby

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    The local Station Engineer here in Memphis
     
  11. Rich

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    Did you ask him how the NYC Fox station cleared it up so quickly? Did he happen to say anything about these problems being a byproduct of the digital transition?

    I'd call the NY station, but it would probably be futile.

    Rich
     
  12. kfcrosby

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    No, I didn't know about the NYC situation, but I can ask !
     
  13. Rich

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    They cleared those BRIIPPS up so fast, I couldn't believe it. And they did it during the game. The last couple innings were free of those things.

    How about asking if the analog to digital transition had anything to do with them?

    Had no problems during the game last night except for a couple audio and video dropouts, which I'm getting used to now.

    Rich
     
  14. jcloudm

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    These tweets from @directv seem to indicate they are aware of the problem:

    http://twitter.com/DIRECTV/status/5153486957

     
  15. Rich

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    Wonder what it's like to be a CSR these days? Underpaid, under trained and besieged by questions that they can't answer.

    Rich
     
  16. cygnusloop

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    BRRRIIIPPPs got so bad on KDVR FOX 31 in Denver that they were happening every 5-10 seconds during the latter part of the World Series tonight. Typically a short BRRRIIIPPP followed by a complete audio dropout as my Onkyo loses DD lock. Occasionally it was bad enough that there would be a complete video dropout as well. Sheesh.

    OTA straight to my HDTV was not affected.
     
  17. Rich

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    Nothing on Fox in NYC last night, just a few audio dropouts. Not one tiny briipp. Gotta be your Fox affiliate. Lots of momentary pixies on the football game tho. Interesting to watch Drew Brees melt before your very eyes.

    Rich
     
  18. cygnusloop

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    Oh, I'm sure it's happening at the local affiliate. Just hope by posting here (and in the issues thread dedicated to my LiLs) someone at DIRECTV will get with the local station and figure it out. The only thing I've gotten from calling the local station (not surprisingly) is them assuring me that it is a DIRECTV issue, which is true to a point. Dunno what else to do.
    Sigh....
    :nono2:
     
  19. Techie

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    Sometimes sun spots or wind blowing leaves on the trees can interfere with the signal getting to the dish. This usually is temporary problem as we have another approaching...snow...
     
  20. Grentz

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    FOX has always had crappy PQ IMO, on both OTA and DirecTV.

    I realize that this is a bit deeper than that though since it is worse through DirecTV for some of you.
     

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